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  • #11
    Originally posted by ELPacman View Post
    I share the exact same thoughts as Scully.

    I see no shame in Cotto not taking the GGG fight as he's no where near the true Middleweight size that is required to face GGG.

    Also seeing a Canelo fight with Cotto just has an awesome vibe to it. Another Mexico vs Puerto Rico matchup that will provide true fireworks. The young blood vs the old warrior. Has a great ring to it and it's still winnable by Cotto.

    Now, I don't think Cotto is scared of GGG on a personal level. If Cotto was a true 160lb fighter, I have no doubt he would of faced GGG just as he faced Margarito when nobody wanted to. Cotto is a warrior. But this is the issue of size mattering, especially when GGG is a monster of 160lb fighter and Cotto doesn't even weigh more than 155lbs on his weigh-ins.... It's just a mismatch of size and Cotto is smart in that respect.
    So is the weight/size disparity the issue or is it GGG's skills and power that Cotto is afraid of? I ask because if its the size/weight disparity, Geale had a significant size and weight advantage on Cotto last Sat. It was reported that Geale was around 180lbs on fight night.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by ELPacman View Post
      I share the exact same thoughts as Scully.

      I see no shame in Cotto not taking the GGG fight as he's no where near the true Middleweight size that is required to face GGG.

      Also seeing a Canelo fight with Cotto just has an awesome vibe to it. Another Mexico vs Puerto Rico matchup that will provide true fireworks. The young blood vs the old warrior. Has a great ring to it and it's still winnable by Cotto.

      Now, I don't think Cotto is scared of GGG on a personal level. If Cotto was a true 160lb fighter, I have no doubt he would of faced GGG just as he faced Margarito when nobody wanted to. Cotto is a warrior. But this is the issue of size mattering, especially when GGG is a monster of 160lb fighter and Cotto doesn't even weigh more than 155lbs on his weigh-ins.... It's just a mismatch of size and Cotto is smart in that respect.
      Canelo and Golovkin are the same size at fights. Nearly identical. Both are a bit too big for 154 but small for 160.

      So size isn't the issue. People simply know from watching the two that Golovkin would push Cotto's poop in. They see Canelo as a more even opponent because he's somewhat flat footed and can be outboxed, not because he's signiticantly smaller than GGG.

      IMO Golovkin-Canelo is the best fight in that triangle and Cotto's umpteenth "comeback" is a bit of a joke.
      Last edited by ////; 06-10-2015, 09:48 AM.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Boxing Goat View Post
        As long as GGG gets the winner of Cotto-Canelo, all is good in boxing. The best fighting the best contender is what the sport should be about and we know GGG is the no. 1 contender.


        Golovkin should move up and fight Ward....Cotto obviously doesn't want the fight because he can't beat him due more to size and power, not skill.

        Ward should pick on someone his own size who will fight back and won't get hit with the same punch twice.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Queen_Leia View Post
          Ward should pick on someone his own size who will fight back and won't get hit with the same punch twice.
          Like Kovalev?

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          • #15
            Originally posted by GaryMSchneider View Post
            I agree with you. However, Cotto has to vacate that belt. GGG and his trainer have already said that it is not Cotto they are after. It is realy the belt. All GGG wants is the belt and he deserves it. Cotto knows that GGG would give him a severe beating. Cotto should get off the pot and give up the belt.
            This is my response to anyone who says Cotto is too small for 160, especially if that is used as a reason to avoid a fight with GGG. It's a fair point of view, Cotto is objectively small for a MW. He looked great at his last weigh in, but came in under the LMW limit which as far as I'm concerned adds to the potential benefit of a move back down.

            But if he wants to be regarded as the lineal MW champ and hold onto the WBC MW belt, he has to acknowledge that that will come with requests to take on the top fighters of that division. For as long as Cotto insists on campaigning at MW I will insist that requesting a matchup with GGG is totally reasonable.

            You can't have it both ways - if you're big enough to defend your title at MW then you are big enough to take on the best that division has to offer. If he can fight Geale, there is no reason not to fight GGG.

            Originally posted by Deevel916 View Post
            I'm not a fan of catchweights but at the same time if it nearly kills you to lose 2-3lbs in order to make weight, then you're fighting in the wrong weight class to begin with.
            I agree with this. Geale looked huge in the ring against Cotto. 168 would probably take a lot less out of him at this point. He also doesn't look like he's in the kind of shape top quality boxers tend to be in, and should consider a new strength/conditioning coach.
            Last edited by BrometheusBob.; 06-10-2015, 10:07 AM.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by ELPacman View Post
              I share the exact same thoughts as Scully.

              I see no shame in Cotto not taking the GGG fight as he's no where near the true Middleweight size that is required to face GGG.

              Also seeing a Canelo fight with Cotto just has an awesome vibe to it. Another Mexico vs Puerto Rico matchup that will provide true fireworks. The young blood vs the old warrior. Has a great ring to it and it's still winnable by Cotto.

              Now, I don't think Cotto is scared of GGG on a personal level. If Cotto was a true 160lb fighter, I have no doubt he would of faced GGG just as he faced Margarito when nobody wanted to. Cotto is a warrior. But this is the issue of size mattering, especially when GGG is a monster of 160lb fighter and Cotto doesn't even weigh more than 155lbs on his weigh-ins.... It's just a mismatch of size and Cotto is smart in that respect.
              bunch of bull. duran was smaller then coot-to faced hagler who was more feared then GGG and hagler did not even hurt or mess up durans hair

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              • #17
                Originally posted by nerd slapper View Post
                Canelo and Golovkin are the same size at fights. Nearly identical. Both are a bit too big for 154 but small for 160.

                So size isn't the issue. People simply know from watching the two that Golovkin would push Cotto's poop in. They see Canelo as a more even opponent because he's somewhat flat footed and can be outboxed, not because he's signiticantly smaller than GGG.

                IMO Golovkin-Canelo is the best fight in that triangle and Cotto's umpteenth "comeback" is a bit of a joke.
                Yes, this!

                Here are some facts:
                GGG/Monroe Official: 159.0 Unofficial: 170
                Canelo/Trout Official: 153.5 Unofficial: 172

                I'm sure it varies a bit from fight to fight but they are both ~170lb in the ring. Canelo is just going to keep killing himself to make 155lb to avoid a totally reasonable fight with GGG. If anything fighting Mayweather, Lara and Trout has shown us it's that it's almost definitely ODLH steering Canelo as far away from GGG as possible for as long as is reasonable.

                Regardless of where the blame belongs, someone needs to wake up Canelo fans and remind them how big their fighter really is.

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                • #18
                  Heres whats wrong with not signing for GGG.
                  If he's not a Middleweight and the belt came from beating Sergio give the belt up.
                  Don't go out and promote yourself against Gaele or Canelo or anyone else.
                  Sorry thats wrong and its disrespecting GGG who is the number 1 contender for that particular belt.
                  Personally these belts have lost so much meaning these days theres Champions crowned who are terrible boxers.

                  GGG is the best right now and he deserves the shot.
                  Cotto give it up, go back "junior hiding" weight class and fight dela Hoya he's making a comeback and wants GGG hahaha!!!!!!

                  LaMotta fought at 5'8" and 159 until he couldn't get down to it.
                  He didn't have great power at all, but he was a ****in' Monster!
                  Cotto has turned into Floyd Jr Jr he's learned the easy way around.

                  Ray

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                  • #19
                    Cotto's reaction to fighting GGG was the same as GGG'S reaction when asked about fighting Ward!

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by PRBOXINGCOTTO View Post
                      this is an opinion not fact because the fact is cotto will face ggg next after he beats canelo he told lampley straight up he would fight ggg if they can agree on terms that interview after the fight was like why mention ggg when everyone knows the canelo fight is next
                      154.1 weight
                      154.2 rehydration clause
                      cotto wears 10 oz gloves, ggg wears 24oz
                      ggg can only throw 10 punches per round, jabs only
                      ggg cannot raise either arm above his chest
                      98-2 money split cottos way

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