Comments Thread For: Frampton-Gonzalez Set For 7/18 in Texas, on CBS

[Scipio2009]

Problem is I don't got a lot of faith in that Miami Cuban market base. Cotto gots NYC. Thats a huge market with a solid boxing history. Lotsa PR's there with 700k+. Mexicans can fight in Texas & Cali which are also huge markets with a solid boxing fan base & lotsa Hispanics (~35% of the population or about 20M people between those two states). PR or Mexicans can also just go to PR or Mexico & fight. Rigo would be stuck with Miami with 100k+ Cubans, which I don't believe to be a boxing rich area (up for debate, but thats my take), & unless something changes with the Cuba/US situation no Cuba fight that would be epic. I think there is probably an economical reason none of these elite Cubans have done what you are suggesting. Ty Wikipedia.

According to the 2010 US Census, Florida is home to just over 1.2m Cuban Americans in Florida, about the same number of Puerto Ricans found in New York.

Again, not saying that it would've worked but, looking at the situation, that should've been the move from the start, especially for a fighter in Rigondeaux's position; debuting as a pro at 29, with nearly 500 amateur fights on his body, and the inability/seeming unwillingness, to pick up English. (if not from the start, then at least after the end of the Top Rank deal).

The Fontainbleau Hotel ballroom basically holds 2,000 seats (there may be better local venues, but I don't want to go through the work of finding them; Rigondeaux fought his first two fights there); Caribe could've worked out a deal, to at least keep Rigondeaux in enough fights to stay busy, while a TV partner comes back into the fold.

[richardt]

Pac and Floyd fought 6 years after they should have so anything is possible! Meaning Frampton-Rigo could have been made in a couple of weeks! Very realistic outlook!

A couple weeks???? Frampton has had a world championship for almost a year and Rigo has been a champion for 3 years. Another non-big name for Frampton and Frampton is going to throw his reputation down the drain like Santa Cruz has up to now. His next fight after this had better be Rigo or Santa Cruz or this division is ***ed. Same goes for Santa Cruz. ENOUGH of these fighters fighting anything but another champ in their division! At least Santa Cruz and Frampton could have fought Jonathan Guzman or Ray Vargas or even Jesse Magdaleno who are all rated in the top 5 in Frampton's governing body and some in Santa Cruz's, not the crap Frampton is now fighting! And Santa Cruz is on notice too. He opposition is even worse, he is the kingpin of the crapwagon.

[BattleAxePurist]

Typical Haymon Spammatching.

[-PBP-]

I would say that this is to promote Frampton vs LSC or Mares but they are both LA boys.

[Eff Pandas]

I had no idea we had so many savvy businessmen that posted here!! Al Haymon doesn't know what he's doing!! He doesn't know anything about making money!!!

I'm a Haymon fan, but that mfer ain't incapable of mistakes & clearly gots someone in charge of dates & venues that needs to be fired unless they got some sort of deal where the venue, sponsors or someone is paying them extra for holding events at poor choices for particular fighters insuring a less impressive gate then they could be taking in.

There's money to be made in gate too. I mean you can have these cats fight anywhere & show it on TV & not eff with the TV ad $ (when that starts coming in anyway), but you are effing up your gate money big time when you are having the Battle of Ohio in ****ing Nevada. Thats just some dumb ****.

[Scipio2009]

the fact that there are irish people there.

when did i say that? i don't like either model. boxing as a whole is broken.

i see you must work for pbc. this is an interesting fight...? no reasonable person would say that. since you work for pbc can you at least give them some input about what they are doing wrong. giving away thousands of tickets through 1iota for every event probably isn't a winning strategy. start finding people that want to pay.

There are Irish in Boston; Carl Frampton is Scots-Irish (hailing from Northern Ireland, UK). Then again, parsing that would've seemingly taken too much thought power.

Carl Frampton is arguably the most exciting and marketable fighter in the world at 122, and I'm excited to see him fight and have the general American boxing public see him fight; the matchmaking for PBC, overall, has ended up with good fights going down, so I'm not going to trash the opponent choice either.

In the three months that PBC has been airing fights, there have been 9 shows, with none of them really being duds (though all of the fights haven't been great, I've yet to tune into a PBC broadcast and ended the show feeling like I've wasted the two hours); holding my breath for Lara-Rodriguez but having Beterbiev on that show should save things.

And the tickets dig is silly; Garcia-Peterson did $1m at the gate in New York, Figueroa-Burns sold out in Hidalgo, and the Berto-Lopez card moved a really good amount of tickets in Ontario CA, with the Chicago shows doing good business on the back of the local draws; wouldn't be shocked one bit if Keith Thurman moves a ton of tickets for his hometown show as well.

No one is saying that every show is going to sell a ton of tickets, but to act as if none of the shows are selling tickets makes you look dumb. Then again, trashing everything PBC/Haymon is the "in' thing to do online, lol.

[Scipio2009]

al haymon has a history of failing yet you act like he's rockafeller or something. why do you think hes in boxing and not music anymore... sure this might pay off and it might not. it seems very puzzling what he's doing and pointing that out shouldn't mean you hate capitalism or boxing or some other nonsense.

name one thing that Al Haymon has failed at?

He built his concerts business into a pretty big deal, and sold it to LiveNation (a deal from which he still makes residuals on beyond what he got for his business). You add the work he was able to do in Tv production and you're starting to come off as just a hater, or worse.

[Eff Pandas]

According to the 2010 US Census, Florida is home to just over 1.2m Cuban Americans in Florida, about the same number of Puerto Ricans found in New York.

The thing is thats all of Florida. In Miami its 100k+ Cubans. In New York City there are 700k+ PR's.

The whole Cuban boxing dynamic is an interesting one with the disdain or lack of appreciation lets say for pro boxing being something most Cubans grow up in in Cuba so I suspect the fan base of Cuban pro boxing fans is much lower than the loyal fan bases PR & Mexican fighters seem to have in the US & their own countries due to their long standing success & history in pro boxing.

And I mean you can run into a random Mexican or PR person, male or female, & if they don't know Cotto, Chavez Jr or Canelo that mfer is out of the loop or made poor life choices. There is a random Cuban guy who happens to live in my neighborhood that I know casually & one day when Erislandy Lara was fighting that weekend I asked him if he followed him & that cat said "the actor?".

I just don't think the Cuban pro boxing fanbase has much going on regardless of the math involved.

[SouthPawHitman]

al haymon has a history of failing yet you act like he's rockafeller or something. why do you think hes in boxing and not music anymore... sure this might pay off and it might not. it seems very puzzling what he's doing and pointing that out shouldn't mean you hate capitalism or boxing or some other nonsense.

Yeah man you cant change professions unless you fail. It just not possible.

Is Haymon going to bring you in to be an advisor or anything?

[Scipio2009]

A couple weeks???? Frampton has had a world championship for almost a year and Rigo has been a champion for 3 years. Another non-big name for Frampton and Frampton is going to throw his reputation down the drain like Santa Cruz has up to now. His next fight after this had better be Rigo or Santa Cruz or this division is ***ed. Same goes for Santa Cruz. ENOUGH of these fighters fighting anything but another champ in their division! At least Santa Cruz and Frampton could have fought Jonathan Guzman or Ray Vargas or even Jesse Magdaleno who are all rated in the top 5 in Frampton's governing body and some in Santa Cruz's, not the crap Frampton is now fighting! And Santa Cruz is on notice too. He opposition is even worse, he is the kingpin of the crapwagon.

1) I've got a sense that you're responding to sarcasm

2) none of your talk about Frampton "needing" to fight Rigondeaux never brings up money. Regardless of how good Rigondeaux is, Frampton brings the TV, Frampton brings the gate money, Frampton brings the sponsorships, Frampton brings the TV money.

Willie Monroe Jr was willing to take the short end of a 15:1 split of the money to make the Golovkin fight ($100k:$1.5m).

Does Rignodeaux take that fight for $250k, with Frampton taking $1.5m? Because that's about all that Rigo would be worth to the potential fight. I doubt he does; he'd probably want to bring nothing monetarily to the table and still split the take 50/50. lol