Comments Thread For: Cotto: GGG Never Beat Top Foe, Canelo Failed To Shine!

[aboutfkntime]

Sunspace, good post man..... just ignore the Golovkids

[Barcham]

All this Cotto-bashing makes me wonder if GGG's fan base is composed of mostly casual fans (which could be good for him in the future). No knock on that. The truth is, nevertheless, if you've been anywhere near the sport in the past decade, that Miguel Cotto has fought everybody. It's that simple. Look into it, if you haven't been around, or simply don't know. I'm all for rooting for your favorite fighters, but when GGG's best win (Geale) is Miguel Cotto's tune-up for Alvarez, you know there's a disparity resume-wise. And yes, I get it, everyone wants to think GGG's a monster, and that he's avoided, etc. I understand how enticing it is to dwell on that hype (no knock again). Margarito had that role for years (look into that guy, and the source of his power, unfortunately), and then Martinez took his place. Now, it's GGG's turn. It's all in good fun. All I'm saying is that a victory over Geale didn't warrant for Cotto to throw aside such a huge super-fight, as is the Cotto-Alvarez showdown. The money, the timing, wasn't there for a GGG fight. Cotto was in the middle of switching promoters (he didn't want to work with Top Rank, because he believes they were not paying him what he was owed). Things were quickly changing, and you cannot forget that Miguel knew that a fight vs GGG could be very interesting down the road. He has said so himself. Why should he ruin the potential super-event it could be, just to rush things? Sign a GGG fight in April, have it in June, and hope it's a success? I get how much his fans want for GGG to become the man of the division, but those circumstances warrant what has happened. Anything else would've been a waste of a great fight and great business. Despite the constant ranting of people, the only statements Cotto has clearly made are that, yes, he would be interested in a GGG fight, but only after the Alvarez fight, which, again, is huge, and, preferably, once GGG has built up his own resume (and, implicitly, his fan base). It's clear that Miguel Cotto's planning to save GGG for the last fight of his 3-fight contract with Roc Nation, if GGG is still undefeated by then. Cotto is not the type to run away from great challenges. He's just making sure the business-end of it is taken care of, too. Great fights happening with enough time to build them up properly are hits with both fans and boxers. Are all of us going to be there to support his business ventures or his family, once he retires? Or will many of us, as happens to all boxers, forget the person even existed and just move on to the next? Can you honestly blame him for wanting to make not only great fights, but also smart business decisions? He's still giving you the fights you want. Is it that terrible that he's going to make you wait ONE fight? Seriously? And again, this ONE fight, because Alvarez is clearly a great one that we should all want to see, is against the BEST opponent GGG has beaten. That's not the end of the world. He's been off for a year and wants a tune-up. It's called using your intelligence. Or would you go play at the NBA finals without having taken part in, at least, a decent match-up before then? Without even building up the finals properly? Think about it. What he's doing is logical. The only reason Miguel Cotto is not going around bragging about how he's going to fight everybody is because he's tired of anyone thinking they can tell him what to do. In boxing, if you let opponents or anyone else dictate terms, you are already losing (look up Pacquiao vs Cotto). Instead of trashing such a great legacy, we should, you should (if you plan to be a real boxing fan) do your research and then speak. I've been browsing this website for years, but, as I suspect will be the case of many long-time boxing fans, I've grown tired of this unbelievable attack on a great career. Do you know how many boxers have spent YEARS and YEARS avoiding elite competition? Avoiding for real. Cotto, right out the gate, has done nothing but provide us with some of the best fights this sport has seen. And he's been counted out, on the brink of being forgotten, many times. Miguel Cotto has been thought of as "damaged goods" since the FIRST Margarito fight! Excuse him if now, after proving so many people wrong so many times, he prefers to secure his family's well-being, instead of just immediately quenching random people's bloodlust, for a change. A boxer has just taken charge of his own career. I am proud! You should be too! As for GGG, he looks to have a great career ahead of him. Triple G should fight Froch, get that A-level name on his resume, and then ask for a fight against Cotto. And yes, Cotto will only do this fight on his terms. He is and will be the A-side on that one. It's up to triple G to form his own legacy in the boxing world, and, yes, that means being the B side until you reach A-level. I'll be waiting to see if GGG can prove himself against Cotto, but I suspect Cotto will finish off his great career with one heck of a victory. Good luck.

Paragraphs are your friends. I only bothered to read the last sentence and if you expect Cotto to ever get in the ring with Golovkin much less beat him, you're delusions are as bad as your composition skills.

[aboutfkntime]

Paragraphs are your friends. I only bothered to read the last sentence and if you expect Cotto to ever get in the ring with Golovkin much less beat him, you're delusions are as bad as your composition skills.

So, it is delusional to expect Cotto to fight Golovkin, despite Cotto holding some ABC belt?

Fkn superb, common-sense is your friend, well done.

Cotto is clearly not a middleweight, and he is clearly winding down his career. Cotto accidentally collecting the WBC middleweight belt, and lineal MW title, by winning a money fight against Martinez..... means nothing for Golovkin.

Golovkin should stop trying to pad his record with smaller name fighters like Cotto/Canelo/Mayweather, and carve his own path, like Canelo is doing.

Silly ****s - mostly casual fans - think that ABC belts and lineal titles matter.

But they dont.

Cotto is the 5th consecutive Lineal Middleweight Champion who WAS NOT the best fighter at 160.

The only thing more over-rated than " lineal " is P4P.

If Cotto is motivated by the right thing, he will accept an offer from Mayweather for September, tell Canelo that his last chance to secure a fight will be early 2016..... and then ride off into the sunset.

[R_Walken]

All this Cotto-bashing makes me wonder if GGG's fan base is composed of mostly casual fans (which could be good for him in the future). No knock on that. The truth is, nevertheless, if you've been anywhere near the sport in the past decade, that Miguel Cotto has fought everybody. It's that simple. Look into it, if you haven't been around, or simply don't know. I'm all for rooting for your favorite fighters, but when GGG's best win (Geale) is Miguel Cotto's tune-up for Alvarez, you know there's a disparity resume-wise. And yes, I get it, everyone wants to think GGG's a monster, and that he's avoided, etc. I understand how enticing it is to dwell on that hype (no knock again). Margarito had that role for years (look into that guy, and the source of his power, unfortunately), and then Martinez took his place. Now, it's GGG's turn. It's all in good fun. All I'm saying is that a victory over Geale didn't warrant for Cotto to throw aside such a huge super-fight, as is the Cotto-Alvarez showdown. The money, the timing, wasn't there for a GGG fight. Cotto was in the middle of switching promoters (he didn't want to work with Top Rank, because he believes they were not paying him what he was owed). Things were quickly changing, and you cannot forget that Miguel knew that a fight vs GGG could be very interesting down the road. He has said so himself. Why should he ruin the potential super-event it could be, just to rush things? Sign a GGG fight in April, have it in June, and hope it's a success? I get how much his fans want for GGG to become the man of the division, but those circumstances warrant what has happened. Anything else would've been a waste of a great fight and great business. Despite the constant ranting of people, the only statements Cotto has clearly made are that, yes, he would be interested in a GGG fight, but only after the Alvarez fight, which, again, is huge, and, preferably, once GGG has built up his own resume (and, implicitly, his fan base). It's clear that Miguel Cotto's planning to save GGG for the last fight of his 3-fight contract with Roc Nation, if GGG is still undefeated by then. Cotto is not the type to run away from great challenges. He's just making sure the business-end of it is taken care of, too. Great fights happening with enough time to build them up properly are hits with both fans and boxers. Are all of us going to be there to support his business ventures or his family, once he retires? Or will many of us, as happens to all boxers, forget the person even existed and just move on to the next? Can you honestly blame him for wanting to make not only great fights, but also smart business decisions? He's still giving you the fights you want. Is it that terrible that he's going to make you wait ONE fight? Seriously? And again, this ONE fight, because Alvarez is clearly a great one that we should all want to see, is against the BEST opponent GGG has beaten. That's not the end of the world. He's been off for a year and wants a tune-up. It's called using your intelligence. Or would you go play at the NBA finals without having taken part in, at least, a decent match-up before then? Without even building up the finals properly? Think about it. What he's doing is logical. The only reason Miguel Cotto is not going around bragging about how he's going to fight everybody is because he's tired of anyone thinking they can tell him what to do. In boxing, if you let opponents or anyone else dictate terms, you are already losing (look up Pacquiao vs Cotto). Instead of trashing such a great legacy, we should, you should (if you plan to be a real boxing fan) do your research and then speak. I've been browsing this website for years, but, as I suspect will be the case of many long-time boxing fans, I've grown tired of this unbelievable attack on a great career. Do you know how many boxers have spent YEARS and YEARS avoiding elite competition? Avoiding for real. Cotto, right out the gate, has done nothing but provide us with some of the best fights this sport has seen. And he's been counted out, on the brink of being forgotten, many times. Miguel Cotto has been thought of as "damaged goods" since the FIRST Margarito fight! Excuse him if now, after proving so many people wrong so many times, he prefers to secure his family's well-being, instead of just immediately quenching random people's bloodlust, for a change. A boxer has just taken charge of his own career. I am proud! You should be too! As for GGG, he looks to have a great career ahead of him. Triple G should fight Froch, get that A-level name on his resume, and then ask for a fight against Cotto. And yes, Cotto will only do this fight on his terms. He is and will be the A-side on that one. It's up to triple G to form his own legacy in the boxing world, and, yes, that means being the B side until you reach A-level. I'll be waiting to see if GGG can prove himself against Cotto, but I suspect Cotto will finish off his great career with one heck of a victory. Good luck.

Holy sh..it that may be the greatest 1st post I've ever read on here

Nothing but pure truth, Barcham & Nerd Slapper read it you might learn some things.

[KnockoutNed]

Cotta is a diva, a quitter and a coward. It would be great for boxing if Geale became a cherrypick gone wrong.

[Chuckguy]

Lmfao at that one tool shed that wrote a 3000 word post crying about how ggg should move up to smw to fight Froch to get that a list name then drop back down to what would be a CW fight for Cotto at probably 155. Cotto is the a list name that GGG wants but he is running scared

[HI-TECH Boxing]

I wrote this in another thread, I'll just re-post it here:

"It's Funny that people keep saying GGG has fought nothing but bums, but isn't Sergio Martinez Cotto's biggest win since 2007 (against Mosley, unless you count Clottey as a Class "A" fighter lol)? Martinez is the same guy that went life and death against two of "bums" GGG beat easily (didn't lose a round), which are Martin Murray (many people thought Martinez lost) and Matthew Macklin."

I like Cotto but his resume is not as strong as people want to believe; only counting his WINS, I don't **** on fighters for defeats but we have to judge them by their WINS. How many class "A" opponents has Cotto beaten? You have Sergio Martinez (I addressed him already) and before that you have to go all the way back to 2007 for Mosley. Unless anyone thinks guys like: Delvin Rodriguez, Antonio Margarito, Ricardo Mayorga, Yuri Foreman, Michael Jennings, Alfonso Gomez, Joshua Clottey as Class "A" opponents? Some of those opponents may have been well known, but doesn't mean they were so called "A" level opponents (as many people want to call them). Even before he fought Mosley he didn't have many, but that's not a bad thing since he was still coming up through the ranks. GGG doesn't have the best resume, but to act like Cotto has beaten nothing but killers (or Class "A" opponents) is laughable. I won't disagree with Cotto having a better resume than GGG, because he does.

Now, I'm not mad that Cotto isn't fighting GGG next or even after this fight if the Canelo fight is available I say go for it. It's a fight I would love to see. But people should stop trying to protect him too much, as long as Cotto is at Middleweight and holds a Middleweight belt he is fair game for the rest of the Middleweights. If he doesn't want to fight at 160, he should just simply drop down to 154.

[Earl-Hickey]

There's no excuse. Cotton is frightened, he knows that he will be knocked unconcious by golovkin.

[HeroBando]

So, it is delusional to expect Cotto to fight Golovkin, despite Cotto holding some ABC belt?

Fkn superb, common-sense is your friend, well done.

Cotto is clearly not a middleweight, and he is clearly winding down his career. Cotto accidentally collecting the WBC middleweight belt, and lineal MW title, by winning a money fight against Martinez..... means nothing for Golovkin.

Golovkin should stop trying to pad his record with smaller name fighters like Cotto/Canelo/Mayweather, and carve his own path, like Canelo is doing.

Silly ****s - mostly casual fans - think that ABC belts and lineal titles matter.

But they dont.

Cotto is the 5th consecutive Lineal Middleweight Champion who WAS NOT the best fighter at 160.

The only thing more over-rated than " lineal " is P4P.

If Cotto is motivated by the right thing, he will accept an offer from Mayweather for September, tell Canelo that his last chance to secure a fight will be early 2016..... and then ride off into the sunset.

Sergio was p4p top 5 for a while. If he wasnt the best, who was? GGG might have been, but he wasnt proven enough for p4p top 50

[i'm a fun haver]

Cotto isn't trying to be that high profile name on GGG's resume, because he knows he'd get his ass kicked.
He should just STFU and vacate that title. Problem solved.