Would Chris Algieri beat Floyd Mayweather's Last 5 Opponents at 147, except Pacquaio?

[MarsinLeo]

Whoever wins Mayweather vs Khan is all good with me - I support both fighters. You think I hate Floyd , sure I criticize fighters even if I'm a fan but doesn't mean I "hate" Floyd - the man is a genius in the ring and I watched all his fights since the 2005 Gatti fight (and I was rooting for him to win in all of them apart from the Mosley fight). He did duck Khan at least 2 times though but **** happens.

That post you quoted was to put things into context that people were severely underrating Algieri when you consider he does have the ability to beat a lot of Floyd's former opponents. So the point was that if you say Algieri is garbage, then you have to say Floyd's former opponents are garbage too and it's funny how all of a sudden people aren't so willing to do that now... lol

If that was the perspective you were coming from then I see what you're trying to do.

At the same time you're engaging in a bit of hyperbole yourself by blatantly criticizing Floyd's opponents. You say the Maidana that fought Khan was superior to the Maidana that "arguably" beat Floyd in the first fight. Come on man.

Maidana had a few moments in the fight against Floyd (just like every elite opponent Floyd faces), but he was far from being competitive with Floyd.

Mosley rocked Floyd. Judah held his own with Floyd for the first five rounds of their fight. DeMarcus Corley hurt Floyd. Pac hurt Floyd.

In the end none of those were truly competitive fights.

Back to Marcos Maidana for a sec... you're going to tell me that the Maidana that fought Khan was better than the one that fought Floyd? How? Maidana has grown as a fighter ever since he hired Robert Garcia as his trainer. Garcia was not training him for the Khan fight.

Algeri is no bum. He's a solid fighter with potential. He seems to get better every time we see him. Is he on Floyd's level tho? Can camels fly? You got your answer.

[Showtime..]

If that was the perspective you were coming from then I see what you're trying to do.

At the same time you're engaging in a bit of hyperbole yourself by blatantly criticizing Floyd's opponents. You say the Maidana that fought Khan was superior to the Maidana that "arguably" beat Floyd in the first fight. Come on man.

Maidana had a few moments in the fight against Floyd (just like every elite opponent Floyd faces), but he was far from being competitive with Floyd.

Mosley rocked Floyd. Judah held his own with Floyd for the first five rounds of their fight. DeMarcus Corley hurt Floyd. Pac hurt Floyd.

In the end none of those were truly competitive fights.

Back to Marcos Maidana for a sec... you're going to tell me that the Maidana that fought Khan was better than the one that fought Floyd? How? Maidana has grown as a fighter ever since he hired Robert Garcia as his trainer. Garcia was not training him for the Khan fight.

Algeri is no bum. He's a solid fighter with potential. He seems to get better every time we see him. Is he on Floyd's level tho? Can camels fly? You got your answer.

Is anybody on Floyd or Pac's level really?
No. It's just styles that make some of their fights close.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

Once Provodnikov landed that hook Algieri went down, Maidana is overall two levels higher than Provodnikov and actually has a jab and a bit of head movement and he can counter Algieri's jab all night, Maidana can stop Algieri.

Guerrero will hold and hit behind the head and make it a dog fight and I don't know if Algieri can deal with that.

Victor Ortiz only lost to guys with serious power and he quit cuz he couldn't handle the power and with Algieri power is nothing to worry about so I see it as a 50-50 fight, also note that Algieri's style sucks against southpaws because his lead right is weak and his left hook is terrible, also his foot movement is disastrous against southpaws.

JMM beats him at any weight

Mosley KOs him out after 2 year layoff without a shadow of a doubt.

Canelo takes him out at 154.

[Chrismart]

Hard to say, as he could fight in a certain style against Khan that wouldn't work against other guys. Mosely for example...i don't rate that version that faced Floyd, but he carried power still. So Algieri wouldn't be able to walk him down like he tried against Khan.

Guerrero has no quit in him, so that would be a competitive fight. I'd go with Algieri though.

The version of JMM that faced Floyd was a bloated mess. He messed up big time in the manner in which he jumped up in the weight. He was an excellent fighter back then though, so i'd pick him to win.

Maidana and Pacquiao would beat Algieri. I'd pick Algieri to beat Ortiz though. Every version of Ortiz had always been **** average.

[FlatLine]

If that was the perspective you were coming from then I see what you're trying to do.

At the same time you're engaging in a bit of hyperbole yourself by blatantly criticizing Floyd's opponents. You say the Maidana that fought Khan was superior to the Maidana that "arguably" beat Floyd in the first fight. Come on man.

Maidana had a few moments in the fight against Floyd (just like every elite opponent Floyd faces), but he was far from being competitive with Floyd.

Mosley rocked Floyd. Judah held his own with Floyd for the first five rounds of their fight. DeMarcus Corley hurt Floyd. Pac hurt Floyd.

In the end none of those were truly competitive fights.

Back to Marcos Maidana for a sec... you're going to tell me that the Maidana that fought Khan was better than the one that fought Floyd? How? Maidana has grown as a fighter ever since he hired Robert Garcia as his trainer. Garcia was not training him for the Khan fight.

Algeri is no bum. He's a solid fighter with potential. He seems to get better every time we see him. Is he on Floyd's level tho? Can camels fly? You got your answer.

I don't think Robert Garcia had much of an impact on Maidana, in my opinion that's mostly hype. I remember people claiming Maidana had been almost reinvented with a new skillset but if you watch just the very first round of the Khan fight you can see Maidana do all of those so-called "new" skills - like disguising a headshot as a bodyshot, using jab to work his way in, timing with counters etc.. I think the benefit Maidana had with Garcia is mainly one of motivation - Garcia provided Maidana motivation to train hard and prepare well but he had all the actual skills back when he fought Khan.

To me, the difference is that by the time he fought Floyd, Maidana had already been in quite a few wars, taken quite a few hits so i'm assuming there was some level of deterioration in his overall physical state because he is that type of fighter that doesn't last long in boxing due to accumulated damage throughout the career due to his style.

And when I said Maidana arguably beat Floyd, I personally thought Floyd won it clearly, what I mean is that others have argued that Maidana won and Maidana himself claimed he won.

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Algieri would beat Ortiz and Ghost if he fought like he fought against Khan.

[Sirius Dogon]

This is bearing in mind the new & improved version of Algieri we saw against Khan against the EXACT VERSION of the opponents that Floyd fought, as if the fights had happened around the same time.

Maidana - 50/50 fight
Guerrero - Algieri wins fairly easy
Victor Ortiz - Algieri Wins easy
Shane Mosley (after 1.5 year inactivity/layoff) - 50/50 fight
Juan Manuel Marquez - (first fight at 147 , jumped up 2 weight division from 135) - Algieri Wins against THAT VERSION of Marquez.

So there we have it, the man who Khan recently beat, and who a few naysayers/trolls are slating at the moment, in reality would beat most of Floyd's recent opponents at 147 in my opinion.

I'd even give Algieri a better shot against Pacquiao because at 147 he wasn't weight-drained like he was against Pacquiao (144) and Prov (140). I think Pac still wins but it would be a much closer fight.

Anyway, which of those does Algieri beat in your view?

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[Elotero]

This is bearing in mind the new & improved version of Algieri we saw against Khan against the EXACT VERSION of the opponents that Floyd fought, as if the fights had happened around the same time.

Maidana - 50/50 fight
Guerrero - Algieri wins fairly easy
Victor Ortiz - Algieri Wins easy
Shane Mosley (after 1.5 year inactivity/layoff) - 50/50 fight
Juan Manuel Marquez - (first fight at 147 , jumped up 2 weight division from 135) - Algieri Wins against THAT VERSION of Marquez.

So there we have it, the man who Khan recently beat, and who a few naysayers/trolls are slating at the moment, in reality would beat most of Floyd's recent opponents at 147 in my opinion.

I'd even give Algieri a better shot against Pacquiao because at 147 he wasn't weight-drained like he was against Pacquiao (144) and Prov (140). I think Pac still wins but it would be a much closer fight.

Anyway, which of those does Algieri beat in your view?

I picked 48 but TBH I dont think Chris would beat any of them the night Floyd fought them.

I mean, he just lost to Khan fair and square, it wasnt some type of Mauricio Herrera decision. Why should his stock rise to the level of beating FLoyds last 5 opponents when he just lost?

Good question, but no.

[Luilun]

[QUOTE=LarryXXX;15752631]Maidana=not washed up=champion

Ortiz=not washed up=champion

Guerrero=not washed up was on the p4p list

Mosley= champion-p4p#3

Pacquiao-not washed up,champion,p4p#2

Mosley and Pacquaio. A wash up 40 year old, a guy who was knock out and carefully matched afterwards, Guerrero is the blown up feather
Ortiz was suckered punch. Madaina actually won but was robbed

[Thickback]

This is bearing in mind the new & improved version of Algieri we saw against Khan against the EXACT VERSION of the opponents that Floyd fought, as if the fights had happened around the same time.

Maidana - 50/50 fight
Guerrero - Algieri wins fairly easy
Victor Ortiz - Algieri Wins easy
Shane Mosley (after 1.5 year inactivity/layoff) - 50/50 fight
Juan Manuel Marquez - (first fight at 147 , jumped up 2 weight division from 135) - Algieri Wins against THAT VERSION of Marquez.

So there we have it, the man who Khan recently beat, and who a few naysayers/trolls are slating at the moment, in reality would beat most of Floyd's recent opponents at 147 in my opinion.

I'd even give Algieri a better shot against Pacquiao because at 147 he wasn't weight-drained like he was against Pacquiao (144) and Prov (140). I think Pac still wins but it would be a much closer fight.

Anyway, which of those does Algieri beat in your view?

Algeri/Mariana 50/50???? FOH