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  • #41
    Originally posted by DoubleLeftH00k View Post
    one fighter running one fighter chasing

    growing number of dumbo fans: woww that fighter that is running is so smart and skilled....

    demand is high

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    • #42
      Welcome to boxing....The over defensive boring style has Allways been part of boxing, deal with it.

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      • #43
        Mayweather being the money man in the sport and considered the best in the sport probably rubs off on other fighters. We've seen the likes of Andre Berto come out and try to counter punch while in a shoulder roll stance and it was just pathetic. Or young fighters adoring Mayweather's status and money, such as Broner and probably fighting in a way to emulate him that doesn't even suit him.

        What some fail to realise is that Mayweather has that style down to a fine art and it cannot be emulated. It takes a high level of skill and concentration to win fights clearly while mostly on the back foot. But it's become a trend to try and "outrun" or defend your way to a win.

        Not blaming Floyd for it of course, i think he's the best boxer in the sport and a joy to watch if you understand the nuances of the game. But that is the problem. Fighters now think that is the way to get to the pinnacle of the sport but they don't have all those little nuances and skills that he does to win comfortably in that manner against great opposition so you have guys trying to not lose and making it a very close decision.

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        • #44
          Or you can have 2 Highly Athletic and Skills fighters like DeGale vs Dirrell who can both move their feet, cut the ring off and force their opponents to engage which is what I watched both DeGale and Dirrell do yesterday and because the talent level was EVEN, that produced a good fight

          Should I be upset at a Boxer who takes advantage of another Boxers limited athleticism and overall boxing skills? You want to be upset at somebody, be upset at your favorite fighter trainer for doing a **** job and not making your guy a complete fighter!

          Rules are not going to change to help YOUR GUY! Foreman had to chase down Ali so did Frazier. Sandy Saddler chased down Willie Pep and got dirty with him to get into his head and found a way to beat him

          Do us a favor and stop watching boxing so we can stop hearing you b1tch about how rules need to change because your fighter has 2 Left Feet and can't cut the ring off. Or because your guy is clueless when it comes to Inside Fighting aka Dirty Boxing. The opponent shouldn't fight in a way that suits and benefits his opponents! Are some of you really that ***in ****** or are some of you just trolling

          I like Miguel Vazquez footwork and never ending supply of stamina, you want a good match from Vazquez, put him in with somebody just as athletic and watch you get a good fight! For Example I think Miguel Vazquez vs Jorge Linares would be a excellent fight because Linares have the athleticism to match. Just an example of how to match up guys people call boring. Abner Mares vs Chemito Moreno was a good fight and Moreno is considered boring, but Mares had the footwork and knows how to cut off the ring so he was able to chase Moreno down and outwork him.

          It is not about the fighters styles for me it is about the MATCH UPS! If you're putting this talent in with some Flat Footed Power Puncher, you're going to get a **** match up and a mismatch in overall talent. If you match the talent with the talent and the Brawlers with the Brawlers you get a great match like Ruslan vs Matthysse, that worked because their styles work. Matthysse is more of a boxer/puncher than a Brawler IMO but he has Power to catch Ruslan attention which he was able to do multiple times.

          A lot of you don't want your guy to prove his greatness because you're uncertain of it yourself, so you want people to just hand the fighters you like "GREATNESS". To achieve Greatness you have to not only take on all styles, you also have to SHOW that you can defeat ALL STYLES! The Great Chavez Sr was fighting styles that matched up well with him but pressure from fans made him test himself and get in with guys even Im sure he knew would give him problems like Meldrick Taylor, Frankie Randall and Pernell Whittaker.
          Last edited by sicko; 05-24-2015, 01:54 PM.

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          • #45
            Boxing is becoming (for the casuals) whoever blocks punches with their head is a warrior.

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            • #46
              running, and mma'ing, that's what the so called p4p king in boxing is all about, pathetic really! and funny how his fans always b1tch about how he's not getting much credit, lol

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              • #47
                I think you are under the impression that boxing somehow gives each of its competitors an equal set of skills. Newsflash some guys are faster, some are stronger, some have better chins, some have better skills. But hey if the science isnt what you're looking for there is always this

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                • #48
                  I'm sure this has been motivated by the whole May/Pac fiasco, fact is, for anyone who believed Pacquiao could win, they thought it was the same Pacquiao we saw in the ring 5 years ago. It's not. He has a high activity, high impact style, which causes a fighter to age quicker then someone who is a more defensive fighter, especially in the modern era. Hopkins, Mayweather and Wlad are prime examples of that. Both men are at or near the top at a point in their lives when fighters of old or fighters with different styles would have been shot to pieces.

                  Now, I do agree that certain aspects of modern judging and a new found love of squeezing wins, sqeeking through rounds and snekaing home a few punches, fighters have found a way to win, without having to engage. You can probably blame Emmanuel Steward and his time with Lennox Lewis, the Mayweathers and those that have come since. I believe that a 10 point must system isn't enough, there should be more even rounds scored when neither guy is hurting his opponent with rounds being given to the guy who is managing to hurt their opponent. Effective aggression is still a scoring criteria but it is the single most over looked criteria in boxing today.

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