Pacquiao Clean Punches Against Mayweather

[ADP02]

The punch is illegal only if it lands. It didn't.

It landed before your screen shot. It was a shot below the belt. Manny managed to block some of it but we don't know the effects (to his balls) it had but we know that it was illegal. Ref thinks so. Manny's reaction says so. I think so too. They even touched gloves.

Lets say Zab Judah hit Floyd in the same area (which he did) but for arguments sake, the follow thru was like an uppercut and hit Floyd in the face and knocked him down. Do you count it as a knock down? No!


More importantly, this will not make or break the round. No way any judge would be thinking about this moment.

[fighter1234]

It landed before your screen shot. It was a shot below the belt. Manny managed to block some of it but we don't know the effects (to his balls) it had but we know that it was illegal. Ref thinks so. Manny's reaction says so. I think so too. They even touched gloves.

Lets say Zab Judah hit Floyd in the same area (which he did) but for arguments sake, the follow thru was like an uppercut and hit Floyd in the face and knocked him down. Do you count it as a knock down? No!


More importantly, this will not make or break the round. No way any judge would be thinking about this moment.

If Judah aimed below the belt, the shot doesn't land below the belt and instead deflects up and knocks Mayweather down then of course it's a knockdown . You have nowhere to go with this, Floyd's body shot was legal.

[ADP02]

If Judah aimed below the belt, the shot doesn't land below the belt and instead deflects up and knocks Mayweather down then of course it's a knockdown . You have nowhere to go with this, Floyd's body shot was legal.

Lets make this simple. Manny's glove was below the belt because he tried to protect his balls. Manny's glove absorbed some of the blow but that is where it (the punch) initially landed. Below the belt. The follow thru landed wherever it did.

In my example, if Zab Judah hit Floyd in the balls and the follow thru of the punch hits him in the face, is it a knock down? Only if the ref didnt see where it landed first.

Example 2: Zab throws 5 straight shots at Floyd's balls but Floyd manages to put his hands in the way just in time to block. You think the ref will let that slide because Floyd had his glove there? My bet is on Uncle Roger coming into the ring to try to smash Zab's face in.

[Skilled Nation]

Clowns.

[Syf]

Adp, nice work in this thread. I think the third is a serious swing round for sure. But Floyd's body shot was legal, doesn't really matter the intent of a fighter, just where the glove lands. And seeing as a shot landed on a glove isn't a scoring blow, the follow through to the belt line should count.

[Syf]

If a punch bounces off a glove through to the face it doesn't count?

Not if you are a Floyd opponent.

[b00g13man]

It landed before your screen shot. It was a shot below the belt. Manny managed to block some of it but we don't know the effects (to his balls) it had but we know that it was illegal. Ref thinks so. Manny's reaction says so. I think so too. They even touched gloves.

Lets say Zab Judah hit Floyd in the same area (which he did) but for arguments sake, the follow thru was like an uppercut and hit Floyd in the face and knocked him down. Do you count it as a knock down? No!


More importantly, this will not make or break the round. No way any judge would be thinking about this moment.

Lol. No. It hit his hand then straight to the body. Body shot.

[ADP02]

Adp, nice work in this thread. I think the third is a serious swing round for sure. But Floyd's body shot was legal, doesn't really matter the intent of a fighter, just where the glove lands. And seeing as a shot landed on a glove isn't a scoring blow, the follow through to the belt line should count.

Lol. No. It hit his hand then straight to the body. Body shot.

Thanks Syf.

As stated in one of my posts, what happened will not be part of the judges mind when determining who won the round.

Still, since b00g13man brought it up as a clean good punch that was enough to point out as a moment for Floyd, I will discuss this point.

In my opinion, it was a blow that hit below the belt. Manny's hand was not 6 inches away from this area. Manny was covering to protect from being hit in the balls. Manny just happened to get a piece of it. Manny complained so it appeared that he felt the low blow but not enough for the ref to give him 5 minutes. If Manny would have been hurt more, the ref would have given him up to 5 minutes. More importantly, the ref also concluded that Floyd's punch hit below the belt and told Floyd to keep them up. If the punch was not low then why tell Floyd that? Kenny Bayless also said something like, not hurt, continue fighting. Again, if Manny was hurt, the action would have been stopped.

Just to drive my point. If Manny was winning a close round but:
If that action happened again and again 5 times in that round, what would happen? Would you think that the judge would give Floyd the round or by the 3rd, or 4th or 5th time, Floyd would be deducted a point? If you say, like I do, that Floyd would be deducted a point then how can you call that a legal punch? You can't. It was called a low blow anyways by Kenny Bayless, for that reason.

[Robbie Barrett]

Thanks Syf.

As stated in one of my posts, what happened will not be part of the judges mind when determining who won the round.

Still, since b00g13man brought it up as a clean good punch that was enough to point out as a moment for Floyd, I will discuss this point.

In my opinion, it was a blow that hit below the belt. Manny's hand was not 6 inches away from this area. Manny was covering to protect from being hit in the balls. Manny just happened to get a piece of it. Manny complained so it appeared that he felt the low blow but not enough for the ref to give him 5 minutes. If Manny would have been hurt more, the ref would have given him up to 5 minutes. More importantly, the ref also concluded that Floyd's punch hit below the belt and told Floyd to keep them up. If the punch was not low then why tell Floyd that? Kenny Bayless also said something like, not hurt, continue fighting. Again, if Manny was hurt, the action would have been stopped.

Just to drive my point. If Manny was winning a close round but:
If that action happened again and again 5 times in that round, what would happen? Would you think that the judge would give Floyd the round or by the 3rd, or 4th or 5th time, Floyd would be deducted a point? If you say, like I do, that Floyd would be deducted a point then how can you call that a legal punch? You can't. It was called a low blow anyways by Kenny Bayless, for that reason.

The ref didn't call it a low blow. He said keep em up because Pacquiao faked a low blow. The punch was going to land on the beltline which is legal. YDKSAB.

[ADP02]

The ref didn't call it a low blow. He said keep em up because Pacquiao faked a low blow. The punch was going to land on the beltline which is legal. YDKSAB.

What you said does not even make any sense.

Why would the ref say "Keep them up" unless he determined it to be a low blow? Your response was, "because Pacquiao faked a low blow"???
No, those words were not for Manny but for Floyd as a warning to "keep them up"

Its not up to Manny to have his gloves that low in that situation. Its up to Floyd to make sure that his punches are above the belt line. Manny got enough of the blow that the ref said not hurt so keep the action going. If Manny needed time, the ref would have stopped the action and given Manny up to 5 minutes. Again, Manny got enough of the punch not to warrant that 5 minutes but he would have got it, if required.

Manny didn't have to be on the floor rolling for the ref to conclude that Floyd be warned to "keep them up". Sometimes its off the mark and in no way would you think that it would affect the balls area but still the ref would tell the fighter to "keep them up".