Comments Thread For: The Big Lie

[MrRolltide91]

Watch the replay of the fight. Here are the facts:

• There was no apparent discussion of the injury in Manny's corner between rounds. Significant rotator cuff injuries are usually very painful. If Pacquiao had suffered one and it was preventing him from fighting, it's incredulous to believe that there would be no mention of it in the corner. Fighters complain about lesser ailments to their corners all the time.
  
• Pain aside, a significant rotator cuff injury would normally limit range of motion. Manny was throwing hard shots and there was no noticeable indication that he was incapable of full range of motion.
  
• No attention was paid to Manny's shoulder in the corner. I didn't even see ice being applied, which would be the obvious way to try to alleviate the inflammation during the fight.
  
• There were no times in the fight at which point Manny seemed to grimace in pain. Again, significant rotator cuff injuries are typically quite painful.
  
• If Manny claims he exacerbated his injury in the third round, why did the three rounds in which he threw the highest number of power punches come after the third round?
  
• Manny made no mention of an injury to Max Kellerman in the post-fight interview. Instead, he complained that he couldn't punch Floyd because Floyd refused to stand in front of him like a punching bag.

This doesn't mean there wasn't an injury of some sort, but lots of fighters enter the ring with latent and chronic injuries that prevent them from being 100% and anybody who buys the story coming out of Pacquiao's camp that he was fighting with a significant rotator cuff injury that prevented him from winning is in my opinion a fool.

The above facts are simply inconsistent with the idea that Pacquiao entered the ring with a significant injury or suffered one during the course of the fight.

good post...

[T18Z]

Please see my earlier post above. I would ask that you please answer.

Also, please do not say we are back to anything. Since he said it at the post fight presser I have said he and his team are lying about it.

I gave reasons why.

Doctors are liars now, he had surgery on himself just to fully commit to a lie.

I've heard it all

By the way, his injury occurring in 2008 doesn't mean his physician missed a diagnosis, it means the injury wasn't at a stage where it required surgery. It healed by itself, just like Mayweathers did with some rest.

Enjoy, Dr Dunn

[The Big Dunn]

Doctors are liars now, he had surgery on himself just to fully commit to a lie.

I've heard it all

By the way, his injury occurring in 2008 doesn't mean his physician missed a diagnosis, it means the injury wasn't at a stage where it required surgery. It healed by itself, just like Mayweathers did with some rest.

Enjoy, Dr Dunn

When did I say the doctor was lying? I notice you also didn't answer any of the questions. TYpical of most Manny fans.

If the only way you could sell a rematch to a fight that you made $120 mil for was to fake an injury and get surgery, I'm sure you would do it.

Maybe you wouldn't, but I'm sure Manny would and did.

ok I see you edited post. a torn rotator cuff (dr called it a "significant tear")healed with some rest?

Have you ever heard of that happening in any other sport with any other athlete?

[T18Z]

When did I say the doctor was lying? I notice you also didn't answer any of the questions. TYpical of most Manny fans.

If the only way you could sell a rematch to a fight that you made $120 mil for was to fake an injury and get surgery, I'm sure you would do it.

Maybe you wouldn't, but I'm sure Manny would and did.

You said it illustrates there is no injury, which is quite obviously saying the Dr is not telling the truth, stop worming your way out of what you clearly implied. You believe Pacquaio lied, faked an injury and his Dr didn't notice but performed surgery anyway on perfectly fine human?

Doctors can't lie about medical examinations nor surgical, they'd lose their job, license, career and any reputation. This is the same guy who worked on Bryant and Klitscko, you are being ridiculous.

[T18Z]

When did I say the doctor was lying? I notice you also didn't answer any of the questions. TYpical of most Manny fans.

If the only way you could sell a rematch to a fight that you made $120 mil for was to fake an injury and get surgery, I'm sure you would do it.

Maybe you wouldn't, but I'm sure Manny would and did.

ok I see you edited post. a torn rotator cuff (dr called it a "significant tear")healed with some rest?

Have you ever heard of that happening in any other sport with any other athlete?

Once again, you reach, and badly.

The Dr confirmed he had a significant tear after the fight, indeed. He never stated the tear from 2008 was significant, so it's highly likely it healed by itself, yes. Just like Mayweathers. Now what, Dr Dunn?

[MrRolltide91]

A few facts Tard nation is in denial about

°While watching the fight live, Manny being injured never crossed your mind, it only became true when he said it.
°Had Manny won the fight, he would've never revealed his "injury".
°Had Floyd lost the fight and then revealed an injury, you wouldn't give two ****s about it, you would not tarnish Mannys win.
°You know in your heart in a rematch nothing different happens, Floyd wins again. You just refuse to accept his greatness.
°You know once Floyd beats him in a rematch, you're just gonna use the surgery as an excuse.

Come on, Tard nation, prove me wrong.

yep the rematch is basically a money grab

[SthPaw]

Great post. Too bad I can't give out any of the green right now :-|

No worries man, thanks anyway

[VERSION1 (V1)]

Why would he say yes if the injury is healed?

Pac knows it is in a vulnerable state and prone to reinjury, but that is different than having a full blown injury.

I don't understand why that is so difficult to understand.

What Pac did is completely understandable, and a manufactured controversy by NASC to deny Pac a legal and unbanned medicine.

if the injury was healed why did he need a shot then

[MrRolltide91]

Why would he say yes if the injury is healed?

Pac knows it is in a vulnerable state and prone to reinjury, but that is different than having a full blown injury.

I don't understand why that is so difficult to understand.

What Pac did is completely understandable, and a manufactured controversy by NASC to deny Pac a legal and unbanned medicine.

if he was healed, why did manny needed a shot?

[The Big Dunn]

You said it illustrates there is no injury, which is quite obviously saying the Dr is not telling the truth, stop worming your way out of what you clearly implied. You believe Pacquaio lied, faked an injury and his Dr didn't notice but performed surgery anyway on perfectly fine human?

Doctors can't lie about medical examinations nor surgical, they'd lose their job, license, career and any reputation. This is the same guy who worked on Bryant and Klitscko, you are being ridiculous.

This is not the 1st time Bob has had Manny get medical treatment that wasn't needed behind the back of his personal physician.

tell me what "significant" means? does it mean 50% tear, 25%, 1%?

Dr's can perform elective surgery anytime they want so long as they are compensated. So he worked on other clients. Just because Kobe had an injury doesn't mean Manny did.

Once again, you reach, and badly.

The Dr confirmed he had a significant tear, indeed. He never stated the tear from 2008 was significant, so it's highly likely it healed by itself, yes. Just like Mayweathers. Now what, Dr Dunn?

Why do clowns like you think bringing Floyd's name up makes Manny not a liar?

Manny either lied on the form or lied in the interview. You pick which one? Either way, he has no credibility.

Yes, I think a multi millionaire lawyer like Bob can get a dr. to give Manny a surgery he really doesn't need. Yes, I think Manny is faking for all the reasons I listed.

You still have yet to address the points in my post or Boxingfan82's post.