Comments Thread For: Bob Arum on Cotto vs. Golovkin: "Are You Crazy?"

[PeasantCrusha]

At the end of the day, it is nothing but petty envy.


Cotto dropping the belt does NOTHING for GGG's legacy. The real issue with GGG's career is a WEAK division that will NOT be made better by beating on smaller ex welterweights. GGG has peaked. He can go no higher unless he unseats a Ward.


Other than that... get over it. GGG's has peaked! His entire career is hyped up weak sauce.


Reality.


"Yeah but if only Cotto vacated, GGG will attain glory and surpass all other middleweights in the history of the sport." ~Desperate fanatic



P.S. Fck outta here with that shyt.

[Achcauhtli]

I'd like to know who here truly thinks Cotto will face his mandatory(GGG), IF he beats his upcoming opponent?

Cause i dont think he will. I think win or lose vs Canelo, that Cotto will move back down to 154lbs.

[PeasantCrusha]

I'd like to know who here truly thinks Cotto will face his mandatory(GGG), IF he beats his upcoming opponent?

Cause i dont think he will. I think win or lose vs Canelo, that Cotto will move back down to 154lbs.

If he moved back down to 154lbs, I would be Ok with that. Reality is Cotto is small for 160lbs.

[crex.af]

Cotto has more experience with hard hitters than GGG. As all boxers state, it all boils down to what happens in the ring. Cotto has got a great chin!

Had Cotto not done that ****** Pac catchweight or illegal wraps with Margarito the circumstances would even be greater than it is now.

Cotto knows what to do in adjustment against A level fighters. GGG has fought which A level fighter? How many belts has GGG won in how many divisions? You guys need to stop saying ''diva'' it sounds like a feminine forum. Cotto has done more than enough to justify his recognition and bring a huge fan base. The problem is that boxing youtube channels distort and exaggerate the context of what boxers say. When Cotto says that he's not going to be told who to fight is a general shot at fans forcing a fight or what other boxers put media press pressure towards Cotto on who to fight. The fights are coming, just stop talking nonsense.

Cotto is nothing like GGG's resume of opponents. You guys just make up crap. GGG is going to first rely on his range controlled jab against Cotto, so WE have to see how Cotto's going to gameplan that out. 2nd, GGG when he gets tagged by B level fighters he acts all goofy and reserved...Look at the Curtis Stevens fight when he rocked half way back through the ring with counters. Look at Proksa tagging him all night. Look at GGG in the 4th round corner huffing and puffing against, again Southpaw opponents ala Monroe Jr. Those are all B level opponents. It might be debatable whether Monroe Jr. is an A level Southpaw at 160. I think Lee is an A level Southpaw as he's timed and has a better IQ than GGG's resume opposition. If Cotto sneaks shots like Proksa did, GGG is going to lose decisively as Cotto has WAY more power than GGG's opposition. I doesn't matter how fast GGG ends dudes, its about what GGG does against A level opposition. Julio Cesar Chavez as an example with a 30 KO streak and 80-0 record until he fought Whitaker. Cmon yall wake up. HBO taking yall for a ride.

To be fair GGG handily beat Andy Lee in the amateurs.

[Heavyfist]

At the end of the day, it is nothing but petty envy.


Cotto dropping the belt does NOTHING for GGG's legacy. The real issue with GGG's career is a WEAK division that will NOT be made better by beating on smaller ex welterweights. GGG has peaked. He can go no higher unless he unseats a Ward.


Other than that... get over it. GGG's has peaked! His entire career is hyped up weak sauce.


Reality.


"Yeah but if only Cotto vacated, GGG will attain glory and surpass all other middleweights in the history of the sport." ~Desperate fanatic



P.S. Fck outta here with that shyt.

LMAO!

THe mental gymnastics going on here is insane.

Unifying the division and becoming undisputed champion, by koing everyone does nothing for his legacy? Are you serious?

Going on a potentially historic run of defending his titles at MW does nothing for his legacy? Making history does nothing for his legacy?

Good god, your love of this over rated Rican has made you unable to think clearly in any capacity.

Division isn't that weak. They just look weak when GGG is there, and when belt holders like Cotto keep ducking him.

[GoldenGloveLove]

people like to forget cotto to a risk by going up and fighting martinez who people said cotto would duck then preceded to say he had no chance all way up until cotto knocked him down and busted his knee up now he gets no credit for the risk he took. because of the risk he took now u guys want him to fight the even bigger ggg? get the **** outta here and i dont want to hear he should vacate crap hell vacate when he dam well pleases ggg is not god

How could anyone say Cotto would duck Martinez? That doesn't make any sense. He didn't even fight at middleweight one time before they proposed that match. Never heard anyone say that.

[PeasantCrusha]

LMAO!

THe mental gymnastics going on here is insane.

Unifying the division and becoming undisputed champion, by koing everyone does nothing for his legacy? Are you serious?

Going on a potentially historic run of defending his titles at MW does nothing for his legacy? Making history does nothing for his legacy?

Good god, your love of this over rated Rican has made you unable to think clearly in any capacity.

Division isn't that weak. They just look weak when GGG is there, and when belt holders like Cotto keep ducking him.

Against qualified opposition, it would. Against MW bums and out of prime ex welterweights... NO.



Reality.


You may now resume your "GGG is the best ever!" campaign.

[crex.af]

While I can agree with most of ur post I'll say this ; boxing is a game of attrition , therefore a hefty amateur background is not solely a benefactor but a double edge sword as it also equals more wear and tear . As far as technique being the reason for the distinction in power I'll say this ; Kovalev merely tapped Caparello to the front of his body from long distance and forced him to take a knee . There was no shifting involved . Lomachenko is probably the only one who is really using some advanced footwork and technique . Kovalev simply uses his inordinate power as his vanguard and anticipates that his opponents chin win succumb under his pressure before his does under yours . He does nothing special ! GGG does angle his toes inwardly when in close and aiming for kidney shots but that's about it , outside of that he does nothing really special as his

footwork is average at best at any other distance . The main commonality is that they all sit heavily on their punches and rely heavily on mere power . I think Lomachenko is the distinguished boxing wizard out of the bunch ! For the record , I'm not concluding that these guys r all dirty , but what I am stating is that I'm su****ious and I feel I have a reasonable right to be as I watched Trinidad
ruin careers while most cheered on the KO campaign . I also watched unprecedented history while McGuire and Sosa was on their history making home run campaign . If history has taught us anything it's taught us to think critically when these sort of record breaking anomalies start occurring with high frequency

Look at many of the Cuban fighters like Rigondeaux, he has a high KO ratio and has completely dominated like many other Cuban fighters for decades.
I agree that a hefty amateur career is not the whole reason these guys are dominating but its a big part of it; that and the fact that, like I posted before, these guys are going pro at or after 25 years of age which gives them another sizable advantage. Their bodies are fully matured to go with all of that experience. Another truth that I do not think we see is that these guys are hungry, they literally want to fight for the sake of their country, family, and pride:

"There's nothing like fighting when you're young and you're happy. There's nothing more deadly or more proficient then a happy fighter. Everybody believes the mean, and the surly fighter, is the tough fighter but that's not true. The guy who's most relax and loves what he does, and is happy to be in there doing what he does." -Mike Tyson

While are correct good sir, it is good for us to think critically but to your point all of these guys got caught and have had their reputations and records ruined. History has also taught us that eventually cheaters get caught and that is when I feel like we have the right to throw stones, not before.

[crex.af]

You´re not looking closely enough. The power those ex Soviet schooled boxers have (GGG, Kovalev, Kudryashov etc) is based on their balance and technique. No pointless flashy dancing around but always moving and placing their feet with one purpose only: to be in position to really hurt the other guy at any given time. Also, their (physical) strength is where it really counts: mid section. Just look at GGG and Monroe, you should see what I mean. I´m tempted to say too many US fighters spend too much time and energy to look pretty at the weigh in. And yes, I am over simplifying and generalizing.

Good observation, many people are not aware that Kovalev and many of these fighters actually do a lot of Pilates which focuses on core strength, fluid movement, control, and breathing. These Eastern Europeans are just going above and beyond which is why are getting to be so successful. They started to think outside of the box while at the same time going back to the basics which has led to them dominating which I think is an awesome thing because it lets other fighters know that the gauntlet has been thrown.

[SugarRaRobinson]

You´re not looking closely enough. The power those ex Soviet schooled boxers have (GGG, Kovalev, Kudryashov etc) is based on their balance and technique. No pointless flashy dancing around but always moving and placing their feet with one purpose only: to be in position to really hurt the other guy at any given time. Also, their (physical) strength is where it really counts: mid section. Just look at GGG and Monroe, you should see what I mean. I´m tempted to say too many US fighters spend too much time and energy to look pretty at the weigh in. And yes, I am over simplifying and generalizing.

In the sweet science of boxing , power comes from the legs , not so much the abdomen