Comments Thread For: Golovkin: I Can Box Like Mayweather, But That's Boring

[KnockoutKings]

lol GGG talking some real ****. GBN

[Calibre .223]

This is a repeat from another thread, hopefully I can get some answers here.

Ok, serious question here. Many people with at least half a boxing brain consider Sugar Ray Robinson to be the best boxer that ever lived. SRR moved up from Welterweight (147lbs) to Middleweight (160lbs), dominating both weight classes for years. He then challenged himself by moving up to Light-Heavyweight, or 175lbs, and faced the Lineal Champion, as they didn't have fragmented titles back then. He was defeated by HOFer Joey Maxim, as he was unsuccessful in his challenge, but he still took on the challenge.

Let's do some math: 175lbs-147lbs = 28lbs. Sugar Ray Robinson moved up 28lbs from his original championship weight to challenge himself against the best.

Floyd Mayweather won his first title at 130lbs. Him moving up to Middleweight, even at a catchweight of 158lbs, would equal SRRs feat in terms of weight jumping, but he would have to face GGG to equal the feat in terms of fighting the best in the division.

Many FM d#ckr#ders on this site like to boast about how he is "TBE," which states that he is better than anybody before him, so why is it that you all have such a problem with him moving up to face GGG at even 154lbs? Even that still wouldn't even match SRRs jump in weight and would pale in comparison to fighting a HOFer (since GGG fights nothing but bums, right?) in doing so. To come close to matching SRRs attempt at further greatness, FM would have to jump up to Middleweight and face GGG there! That's what it is, period.

If he is "TBE," why is this such a problem for all of you fanboys?! It's certainly something he can do that nobody can match, being the "TBE," right?

Save the b#lls##t excuses like
1. GGG is not a draw
2. Boxing is a business first
3. GGG doesn't call the shots, etc.
4. FM would beat him anyway so why bother
5. You just called us out and we will dodge your question any way we can

Again, if he is "TBE," why is this such a problem for all of you fanboys?!?!?!?!

[livershot73]

because people are actually scared of him, no one is scared of mayweather

best reply ever!

[BlakBread904]

I'm amazed that someone has to point out to you that it is irrelevant why people buy his fights, the fact is that they do - consistently. People know what they are going to see before they buy.

Read the post I was responding to, that way you will see the context of my response. It is relevant as to why people buy the fights, especially when someone such as HURTFEELINGS bases their argument on the premise that because Floyd has the highest grossing PPVs in history, he can't possibly be boring. Floyd got those PPV numbers due to his polarizing public persona in conjunction with his elite skills, undefeated record, and advantageous matchmaking. This is America, jack. People will pay to see a divisive figure fall on their face.

And if people truly know what they are going to see before they buy, why were so many people upset at the lack of action in Floyd/Pacq? Any serious boxing fan worth their salt could have told you that was going to happen.

[-PBP-]

What risks were available to him that GGG didn't take? The difference with those guys is they had better options available to them sooner, most of them were being pushed from the very start. GGG was d1cked around for much of his career fighting out of Germany and when he finally got with K2 and brought over to the states/HBO he's had an incredibly tough time securing big names.

He's more like a Marvin Hagler or B-Hop in the sense that they had to grind for years before getting big names. B-Hop was 36 years old before he finally got his break out performance against Trinidad, after years of holding onto a title, cleaning out the division but being denied the chance to unify against the other title holders due to boxing politics. Same scenario here for Golovkin. He's trying to fight the big names, they haven't been willing to fight him yet. I'm sure there were those that said B-Hop should move up in weight and challenge himself MUCH sooner than he did (age 41). In hindsight, thank god he didn't. Legendary career.

Those are all good points. But I just don't think there is much left for GGG to accomplish at MW. The 2 year plan right now is Monroe, Billy Joe/Lee winner and then wait 2 years until Oscar is ready to make the Canelo/Golovkin fight. That's a long time to be fighting Monroe caliber opponents.

[-PBP-]

This is a repeat from another thread, hopefully I can get some answers here.

Ok, serious question here. Many people with at least half a boxing brain consider Sugar Ray Robinson to be the best boxer that ever lived. SRR moved up from Welterweight (147lbs) to Middleweight (160lbs), dominating both weight classes for years. He then challenged himself by moving up to Light-Heavyweight, or 175lbs, and faced the Lineal Champion, as they didn't have fragmented titles back then. He was defeated by HOFer Joey Maxim, as he was unsuccessful in his challenge, but he still took on the challenge.

Let's do some math: 175lbs-147lbs = 28lbs. Sugar Ray Robinson moved up 28lbs from his original championship weight to challenge himself against the best.

Floyd Mayweather won his first title at 130lbs. Him moving up to Middleweight, even at a catchweight of 158lbs, would equal SRRs feat in terms of weight jumping, but he would have to face GGG to equal the feat in terms of fighting the best in the division.

Many FM d#ckr#ders on this site like to boast about how he is "TBE," which states that he is better than anybody before him, so why is it that you all have such a problem with him moving up to face GGG at even 154lbs? Even that still wouldn't even match SRRs jump in weight and would pale in comparison to fighting a HOFer (since GGG fights nothing but bums, right?) in doing so. To come close to matching SRRs attempt at further greatness, FM would have to jump up to Middleweight and face GGG there! That's what it is, period.

If he is "TBE," why is this such a problem for all of you fanboys?! It's certainly something he can do that nobody can match, being the "TBE," right?

Save the b#lls##t excuses like
1. GGG is not a draw
2. Boxing is a business first
3. GGG doesn't call the shots, etc.
4. FM would beat him anyway so why bother
5. You just called us out and we will dodge your question any way we can

Again, if he is "TBE," why is this such a problem for all of you fanboys?!?!?!?!

OK. Now let's talk about same day weigh ins. Robinson fought during an era where 160 basically meant 160. Floyd is fighting an an era where MWs come in over 170.

[bigfo0t]

If Floyd really wants to prove his "greatness", he needs to fight GGG next. He's been holding at least one 154 title hostage for a while and GGG has said he is willing to meet at that weight. What is the problem? GGG will concede to all the petty demands and give up the lionshare. "GGG don't sell" - BULLSHIT. He is one of the next biggest stars. "One dimensional, no skillz" - BULLSHIT! AM record of 345-5.. just take a moment and think about those numbers, those fights, for a second..

[The Gambler1981]

Those are all good points. But I just don't think there is much left for GGG to accomplish at MW. The 2 year plan right now is Monroe, Billy Joe/Lee winner and then wait 2 years until Oscar is ready to make the Canelo/Golovkin fight. That's a long time to be fighting Monroe caliber opponents.

He probably will fight Lemieux at some point which is an alright fight, and would do a good amount for him assuming Lemieux takes care of business again N'Dam like he should (laid out on the canvas).

Still if that is the biggest fight a guy can really angle for near term there is an issue.

[Biolink]

This is a repeat from another thread, hopefully I can get some answers here.

Ok, serious question here. Many people with at least half a boxing brain consider Sugar Ray Robinson to be the best boxer that ever lived. SRR moved up from Welterweight (147lbs) to Middleweight (160lbs), dominating both weight classes for years. He then challenged himself by moving up to Light-Heavyweight, or 175lbs, and faced the Lineal Champion, as they didn't have fragmented titles back then. He was defeated by HOFer Joey Maxim, as he was unsuccessful in his challenge, but he still took on the challenge.

Let's do some math: 175lbs-147lbs = 28lbs. Sugar Ray Robinson moved up 28lbs from his original championship weight to challenge himself against the best.

Floyd Mayweather won his first title at 130lbs. Him moving up to Middleweight, even at a catchweight of 158lbs, would equal SRRs feat in terms of weight jumping, but he would have to face GGG to equal the feat in terms of fighting the best in the division.

Many FM d#ckr#ders on this site like to boast about how he is "TBE," which states that he is better than anybody before him, so why is it that you all have such a problem with him moving up to face GGG at even 154lbs? Even that still wouldn't even match SRRs jump in weight and would pale in comparison to fighting a HOFer (since GGG fights nothing but bums, right?) in doing so. To come close to matching SRRs attempt at further greatness, FM would have to jump up to Middleweight and face GGG there! That's what it is, period.

If he is "TBE," why is this such a problem for all of you fanboys?! It's certainly something he can do that nobody can match, being the "TBE," right?

Save the b#lls##t excuses like
1. GGG is not a draw
2. Boxing is a business first
3. GGG doesn't call the shots, etc.
4. FM would beat him anyway so why bother
5. You just called us out and we will dodge your question any way we can

Again, if he is "TBE," why is this such a problem for all of you fanboys?!?!?!?!

Same day weigh in completely destroys this argument. A WW in the 1940s was a true WW. None of this weight drain yourself to make 147 pounds and put on 20 pounds in a night like Maidana, so it isn't even remotely comparable to begin with.

[-PBP-]

He probably will fight Lemieux at some point which is an alright fight, and would do a good amount for him assuming Lemieux takes care of business again N'Dam like he should (laid out on the canvas).

Still if that is the biggest fight a guy can really angle for near term there is an issue.

Someone told me Oscar was making Lemieux vs Canelo. Assuming Canelo wins then GGG would have to wait 2 years.