Does anybody in here actually know what a broken or severely torn shoulder is?!?!?

[ADP02]

Even with a healthy shoulder, he loses. Shoulder wasn't the problem, he couldn't cut the ring. He had no answer for the check hook, the jab, the lead right, nothing. As soon as Floyd touches the ropes he springs off with a check hook and escaped, Manny had no answer for this.

What good is a healthy shoulder when Floyd proved too elusive and intelligent.

Floyd looked lost against Castillo and used the same excuse btw. Floyd won in the rematch. Similar fight but Floyd pulled it out at the end.

[ADP02]

It's not USADA's role to treat injuries nor to be Team Pac's messenger.

USADA's role was to poke Manny's arms and collect his urine samples.

Team Pac's responsibility was to let the commission know he had a pre-exisiting injury that was acting up and that he may need pain killer shots in his shoulder 3 weeks before the fight.

The NSAC already stated the timing of Pac's "excuse", err uuumm... request for pain killer shots was too late before the fight was to take place.

I know you're a huge Pac fan but c'mon, ADP02. Pac should've kept his mouth shut and taken the loss like the champ he is.

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Sorry but it was a mistake of not checking the correct checkbox not that nobody knew about it prior to the fight. So if people knew about it and admitted that point, check box or no checkbox, the injury was already brought up BEFORE the fight!

As for keeping his mouth shut, Floyd nor his fans were able to do that whenever Castillo thread's came up. Floyd used the injury excuse and his fans did too even in recent threads. So I find it kinda hypocritical. If you go back to those threads, nobody really even criticized you Floyd fans for doing the same thing but its been going on for years and years.

[MindBat]

Sorry but it was a mistake of not checking the correct checkbox not that nobody knew about it prior to the fight. So if people knew about it and admitted that point, check box or no checkbox, the injury was already brought up BEFORE the fight!

As for keeping his mouth shut, Floyd nor his fans were able to do that whenever Castillo thread's came up. Floyd used the injury excuse and his fans did too even in recent threads. So I find it kinda hypocritical. If you go back to those threads, nobody really even criticized you Floyd fans for doing the same thing but its been going on for years and years.

The circumstances are different. Floyd beat Castillo and beat him again in the rematch. Manny lost to Floyd and used it as an excuse for his loss.

But, ok. Giving you the benefit of the doubt..

Since you brought up Hypocritical, let's turn the tables.

And let's say Floyd had lost and claimed a shoulder injury, and the commission had pulled out a medical questionnaire proving Floyd didn't mark the "Yes" box about an injury to his shoulder... how would you and the the legion of Pac fans react to his announcement??!!!

I'll tell you what would happen.

Full front page newspaper and website ads would be bought and printed in huge letters stating... "Manny Pacquiao Has Beaten The Coward American Who Claims He Lost Because Of A Shoulder Injury!!!! Hardy Har, Har!! Don't Make Us Laugh!! He should hang for His Transgressions!! Send His Ass Back To Africa!! Let Him Float In the Denial River In Egypt!!! "

So you see? Either way you cut it. It comes back to the timing of Manny's excuse for the loss and his omission of a shoulder injury on a pre-fight medical questionnaire.

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[IR0NFIST]

The circumstances are different. Floyd beat Castillo and beat him again in the rematch. Manny lost to Floyd and used it as an excuse for his loss.

But, ok. Giving you the benefit of the doubt..

Since you brought up Hypocritical, let's turn the tables.

And let's say Floyd had lost and claimed a shoulder injury, and the commission had pulled out a medical questionnaire proving Floyd didn't mark the "Yes" box about an injury to his shoulder... how would you and the the legion of Pac fans react to his announcement??!!!

I'll tell you what would happen.

Full front page newspaper and website ads would be bought and printed in huge letters stating... "Manny Pacquiao Has Beaten The Coward American Who Claims He Lost Because Of A Shoulder Injury!!!! Hardy Har, Har!! Don't Make Us Laugh!! He should hang for His Transgressions!! Send His Ass Back To Africa!! Let Him Float In the Denial River In Egypt!!! "

So you see? Either way you cut it. It comes back to the timing of Manny's excuse for the loss and his omission of a shoulder injury on a pre-fight medical questionnaire.

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I can sum up your post in three words.

[MindBat]

I can sum up your post in three words.

And those would be???

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[IR0NFIST]

And those would be???

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Can you see the meme above your post, or are you as blind as a bat?

[Furn]

Even the term severely doesn't describe the extent of the injury. I can say I severely tore my hamstring based on my feeling and be exaggerating. But truth of the matter is that if something was severely TORN he would not have been able to keep his hand up due to fatigue and pain of just holding it up, let alone fighting with it. Hopkins said it best.. There is no way he had a torn shoulder while he was hitting mitts and heavy bags with that much power just 10 days out. No way he is promising KO with a torn shoulder. Roach even said this is the strongest Manny has ever hit me blah blah... This is the best training camp blah blah... Save it Manny

The hamstring is a major muscle the rotator cuff is mostly for stability.

[chargerhemi06]

Who cares about the shoulder now? Whether it's true or not, get over it already. Pac is sticking to his guns on the issue.

Let's start focusing on the rematch, because that's what's going to happen anyway.