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    In light of the recent superdud(superfight) we had earlier courtesy of shouldergate (whether it's true or not, it's already frigging all over the internet), and the proliferation of rumors that pacquiao had indeed won in slow-mo replays because the compubox boys didn't do a good job at it and judges were probably too old to see the super fast clean punching connects. I think it's high-time to upgrade our boxing scoring tradition. I mean, every sport had already upgraded their system, i.e. --In NBA basketball, they have already welcomed replay system and it tremendously helped rescue those referee decisions that might otherwise turn into big controversy after the game.

    What I'm proposing is, unlike in NBA where replay system is sometimes been criticized because it slows the game down and steal some of those precious momentum that the other team have built upon; --our own replay system in boxing would be a lot better since it should only be done only when there's a formal complaint on the other side of the team; and, only when the fight is over and done with, so no interruptions on the actual fight whatsoever.

    It goes like this: If the complaining team submitted a formal request on boxing commission within an allowable period after the fight. Then, the Commission of Boxing will act as a Supreme Court of some sort and will deligate or have a ready panel of trusted representatives assembled that will review the fight in a slow-motion replay punch by punch manner. The result will be released as soon as possible, most preferrably the day after the fight night. The decision of the Commission will be final, no appeal is ever allowed again.


    IMO, the advantages of allowing slow-motion replay as part of the decision process greatly outweight the disadvantages if theres any, and I will attempt to list some of it on top of my head:

    1. Peace of mind: Obviously will eliminate 99.9 percent of the doubters, mockers, whinners and every sort of lunacy and controversy that has plagued boxing throughout the years. Those .1 percent, we can't do anything about so let them be, because after all, these are the guys that still believes that Elvis and Kennedy still lives and you can't ever convince them otherwise.

    2. It will greatly encourage both fighters to practice the real modern day sweet science which is: "hit and not get hit and be in position to hit again." this is important, because the modern day sweet science discourages those hit and runners/huggers which are the remnants of old traditional sweet science practitioners which is: "hit and not get hit only", which have evidently contributed greatly in hurting the business of boxing as a whole due to the casual fans perception of that style as boring and yet still winning. Casual fans don't understand this so called traditional sweet science which the purists is so fond of, I'm not saying it's time to phase it out, but, instead, it's time to upgrade it, make it better and make it closely appealing to what the casual fans envisioned it to be. It is very important, because casual fans is the engine of the sport, they dictate the direction of where the business or boxing is headed. You give them what they want, and you will reap what you sow.

    3. Obviously, fighters will be forced to fight very clean and avoid foul plays knowing that their performance will be re-evaluated later on.

    4. Renewed and reinvigorated interest by the former, present and new boxing fans, in knowing that boxing, at last, has gain it's credibility again.

    5. And I feel there's many many more advantages to it. feel free to add some.

    Now, having said this, let our superdud be the final example of this antiquated traditional scoring method, and let's move on to the better future.

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    It's worth pointing out that Floyd didn't win because of Compubox. It only backed up what the judges thought.

    And lol @ using slow motion replays in boxing.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ButtScratcher^^ View Post
      In light of the recent superdud(superfight) we had earlier courtesy of shouldergate (whether it's true or not, it's already frigging all over the internet), and the proliferation of rumors that pacquiao had indeed won in slow-mo replays because the compubox boys didn't do a good job at it and judges were probably too old to see the super fast clean punching connects. I think it's high-time to upgrade our boxing scoring tradition. I mean, every sport had already upgraded their system, i.e. --In NBA basketball, they have already welcomed replay system and it tremendously helped rescue those referee decisions that might otherwise turn into big controversy after the game.

      What I'm proposing is, unlike in NBA where replay system is sometimes been criticized because it slows the game down and steal some of those precious momentum that the other team have built upon; --our own replay system in boxing would be a lot better since it should only be done only when there's a formal complaint on the other side of the team; and, only when the fight is over and done with, so no interruptions on the actual fight whatsoever.

      It goes like this: If the complaining team submitted a formal request on boxing commission within an allowable period after the fight. Then, the Commission of Boxing will act as a Supreme Court of some sort and will deligate or have a ready panel of trusted representatives assembled that will review the fight in a slow-motion replay punch by punch manner. The result will be released as soon as possible, most preferrably the day after the fight night. The decision of the Commission will be final, no appeal is ever allowed again.


      IMO, the advantages of allowing slow-motion replay as part of the decision process greatly outweight the disadvantages if theres any, and I will attempt to list some of it on top of my head:

      1. Peace of mind: Obviously will eliminate 99.9 percent of the doubters, mockers, whinners and every sort of lunacy and controversy that has plagued boxing throughout the years. Those .1 percent, we can't do anything about so let them be, because after all, these are the guys that still believes that Elvis and Kennedy still lives and you can't ever convince them otherwise.

      2. It will greatly encourage both fighters to practice the real modern day sweet science which is: "hit and not get hit and be in position to hit again." this is important, because the modern day sweet science discourages those hit and runners/huggers which are the remnants of old traditional sweet science practitioners which is: "hit and not get hit only", which have evidently contributed greatly in hurting the business of boxing as a whole due to the casual fans perception of that style as boring and yet still winning. Casual fans don't understand this so called traditional sweet science which the purists is so fond of, I'm not saying it's time to phase it out, but, instead, it's time to upgrade it, make it better and make it closely appealing to what the casual fans envisioned it to be. It is very important, because casual fans is the engine of the sport, they dictate the direction of where the business or boxing is headed. You give them what they want, and you will reap what you sow.

      3. Obviously, fighters will be forced to fight very clean and avoid foul plays knowing that their performance will be re-evaluated later on.

      4. Renewed and reinvigorated interest by the former, present and new boxing fans, in knowing that boxing, at last, has gain it's credibility again.

      5. And I feel there's many many more advantages to it. feel free to add some.

      Now, having said this, let our superdud be the final example of this antiquated traditional scoring method, and let's move on to the better future.
      Captain Sava A Ho, is that you?

      Boxing was doing just fine all of the years before you and it will remain that way with out changing the scoring system.

      And if you believe that compubox actually means anything than more power to you.

      Everybody would file a complaint if they lost and it would just cost commissions too much time and money pacifying crying babies.

      Nice thought but it is not feasible.

      Nicely written, but just get over it.
      Last edited by Rockin'; 05-12-2015, 12:52 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ButtScratcher^^ View Post
        In light of the recent superdud(superfight) we had earlier courtesy of shouldergate (whether it's true or not, it's already frigging all over the internet), and the proliferation of rumors that pacquiao had indeed won in slow-mo replays because the compubox boys didn't do a good job at it and judges were probably too old to see the super fast clean punching connects. I think it's high-time to upgrade our boxing scoring tradition. I mean, every sport had already upgraded their system, i.e. --In NBA basketball, they have already welcomed replay system and it tremendously helped rescue those referee decisions that might otherwise turn into big controversy after the game.

        What I'm proposing is, unlike in NBA where replay system is sometimes been criticized because it slows the game down and steal some of those precious momentum that the other team have built upon; --our own replay system in boxing would be a lot better since it should only be done only when there's a formal complaint on the other side of the team; and, only when the fight is over and done with, so no interruptions on the actual fight whatsoever.

        It goes like this: If the complaining team submitted a formal request on boxing commission within an allowable period after the fight. Then, the Commission of Boxing will act as a Supreme Court of some sort and will deligate or have a ready panel of trusted representatives assembled that will review the fight in a slow-motion replay punch by punch manner. The result will be released as soon as possible, most preferrably the day after the fight night. The decision of the Commission will be final, no appeal is ever allowed again.


        IMO, the advantages of allowing slow-motion replay as part of the decision process greatly outweight the disadvantages if theres any, and I will attempt to list some of it on top of my head:

        1. Peace of mind: Obviously will eliminate 99.9 percent of the doubters, mockers, whinners and every sort of lunacy and controversy that has plagued boxing throughout the years. Those .1 percent, we can't do anything about so let them be, because after all, these are the guys that still believes that Elvis and Kennedy still lives and you can't ever convince them otherwise.

        2. It will greatly encourage both fighters to practice the real modern day sweet science which is: "hit and not get hit and be in position to hit again." this is important, because the modern day sweet science discourages those hit and runners/huggers which are the remnants of old traditional sweet science practitioners which is: "hit and not get hit only", which have evidently contributed greatly in hurting the business of boxing as a whole due to the casual fans perception of that style as boring and yet still winning. Casual fans don't understand this so called traditional sweet science which the purists is so fond of, I'm not saying it's time to phase it out, but, instead, it's time to upgrade it, make it better and make it closely appealing to what the casual fans envisioned it to be. It is very important, because casual fans is the engine of the sport, they dictate the direction of where the business or boxing is headed. You give them what they want, and you will reap what you sow.

        3. Obviously, fighters will be forced to fight very clean and avoid foul plays knowing that their performance will be re-evaluated later on.

        4. Renewed and reinvigorated interest by the former, present and new boxing fans, in knowing that boxing, at last, has gain it's credibility again.

        5. And I feel there's many many more advantages to it. feel free to add some.

        Now, having said this, let our superdud be the final example of this antiquated traditional scoring method, and let's move on to the better future.
        but what will happen to the bets when the the review by slow-mo show who the real winner/loser is?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by b00g13man View Post
          It's worth pointing out that Floyd didn't win because of Compubox. It only backed up what the judges thought.

          And lol @ using slow motion replays in boxing.
          Replay as part of decision process isn't targeting any particular fight or superfight it's for all of the fight for the betterment of the sport overall. In general we do want an accurate foolproof or as close as foolproof as possible result of any fight. Human are just that humans they aren't perfect but we can be better, and if there is a way to do it, why not use it.

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          • #6
            Will never happen. Hometown cooking is part of the business.

            If anything they should have some 3rd party choose judges and refs, but even then it would be corrupted.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Rockin' View Post
              Captain Sava A Ho, is that you?

              Boxing was doing just fine all of the years before you and it will remain that way with out changing the scoring system.

              And if you believe that compubox actually means anything than more power to you.

              Everybody would file a complaint if they lost and it would just cost commissions too much time and money pacifying crying babies.

              Nice thought but it is not feasible.

              Nicely written, but just get over it.
              Boxing has undergone a million rule changes over the course of its survival. You're not being realistic if you think those rules won't continue to change in the future and that we have reached a "perfect equilibrium".

              There are still lots of problems. "Best boxer in the world" and "Most boring boxer in the world" both yielding the same #1 result on google is illustrative of why scoring may eventually change. Not talking about slow-motion replays in specific. It will keep changing though.
              Last edited by ////; 05-12-2015, 01:53 AM.

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              • #8
                I stopped reading at "shouldergate"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rockin' View Post
                  Captain Sava A Ho, is that you?

                  Boxing was doing just fine all of the years before you and it will remain that way with out changing the scoring system.

                  And if you believe that compubox actually means anything than more power to you.

                  Everybody would file a complaint if they lost and it would just cost commissions too much time and money pacifying crying babies.

                  Nice thought but it is not feasible.

                  Nicely written, but just get over it.

                  I am one of the guys who have scored 9-3 in favor of floyd, I attended the fight live. I am not a ******* nor a floydiot I am a real fan of the sweet science and all I want is the sport to be better, and it can be better. And what better way to start than us, to have a better and more accurate result of the fight. It's not hard to implement it, NBA has implemented it already. In boxing, we could do it too, and it will help tremendously, in terms of credibility. Change can be difficult because we are so used with the comfort of old and traditional ways but sometimes change is needed for the betterment.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tangalog2200 View Post
                    but what will happen to the bets when the the review by slow-mo show who the real winner/loser is?
                    Good question, the betting business will have to wait one day at most or probably a couple of hours for the petition result as the officials will be reviewing the fight overnight. So their customers will claim if they won the bet as soon as the petition result is over. Petition period is only allowed within the period after the fight night itself, however, if there's any, the petition panel will review it overnight and the petition result will be delivered as soon they finished the review which is most probably just a couple of hours.

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