Everyone complains about hugging and holding in the ring...

[ADP02]

Exactly what you said...funny how no one complained or complains to this day how Ali used EXCESSIVE clinching along with willie Pep who many consider the greatest defensive fighter ever but who has the same style defense practically as the one Wlad Klitchko uses of clinchin and turning his opponent and sometime leaning on them ,when mostly he throws a one two combo and clinches hes no different....even Lennox Clinched a lot,no one says anything...but Wlad and Floyd get the bad rap?

4 wrongs do not make a right. What was wrong yesterday was wrong today and should be wrong tomorrow.

Wlad takes advantage of his size and holds and leans on the smaller opponent thus smothering the opponents activity and at the same time making him get tired. It's the truth so why make excuses for something that is obvious.

As Holyfield said, the refs should enforce it for all. Khan was deducted 2 points against Peterson for pushing Peterson off of him.

So depends on the judges and depends on who the fighter is. Floyd gets away with it. You or anyone can't say no to that because everyone says it. The commentators, Floyd's opponents, other current and past fighters. Everyone brings it up but his fans try to use excuses to deflect the truth!

[ElMeroChingon]

For some odd reason it makes more sense to some people now a days to go overboard with complaints.

Also its just easier to blame the winner for how they won instead talking about what the loser should have done to not allow the winner to do what they did.

I guess this is what you get from the generation of people where everybody gets a trophy just for showing up no matter what you do in said sport.

They're valid complaints, Just because it's been done in the past doesn't mean it's right and without faults

Every sport amends their rule book, and rightfully so.

When it comes to clinching, these are my MAIN problems


1. IF A fighter gets trapped against the ropes, it should be his job to work his way out again.

2. Clinching every time a fighter traps you against the ropes is cheap exploitation, the REF does the work for you and BAILS you out. It is not his job to bail him out, that is for the fighter.

3. Clinching should only be allowed when a fighter is visibly hurt.



Basically there's a loop hole that's being exploited.

The way clinching is allowed to be exploited, it removes one of the essential aspects of BOXING, INSIDE FIGHTING. The referee bails out the fighter who clinches, throwing away all the hard work that was done to put him on the ropes by his opponent.

If a fighter is good enough from the outside, he should be able to keep himself in the outside.

Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot, and every time a clinch had to be broken up, the guy who was getting clinched was put on the corner ropes?


THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING TO CHECK FIGHTERS FROM USING THE CLINCH TO BAIL THEM OUT, AND RESET THEM ON THE OUTSIDE.

[juggernaut666]

4 wrongs do not make a right. What was wrong yesterday was wrong today and should be wrong tomorrow.

Wlad takes advantage of his size and holds and leans on the smaller opponent thus smothering the opponents activity and at the same time making him get tired. It's the truth so why make excuses for something that is obvious.

As Holyfield said, the refs should enforce it for all. Khan was deducted 2 points against Peterson for pushing Peterson off of him.

So depends on the judges and depends on who the fighter is. Floyd gets away with it. You or anyone can't say no to that because everyone says it. The commentators, Floyd's opponents, other current and past fighters. Everyone brings it up but his fans try to use excuses to deflect the truth!

So what Ali did the same thing and is praised as the greatest,the differance is Ali did that because he had to mostly, Wlad could knock you out with one punch ,he has options ,he s way more effective as a fighter his k.o percentage proves that along with rounds won.Its the same people on here who also praise Willie Pep who degrade Wlad thats called a double standard and since 99 % of boxing fans view Ali as the greatest who has the right to complain?He was the clinch king and neck puller a technique that would immediately get a warning quickly today.If a fighter doesnt want to be clinched then the fighter should do something about ,up until now everyone is going to start making excuses and complain ? I dont think so .,boxing started out as a dirty boxing sport of legal holding and hitting.

[BrometheusBob.]

This is not fantasy, it's reality, and it's called schooling, because you've been here posting, muttering and blabbering nonsense as usual but do not contribute to the overall betterment of the sport. It's time to put some sense on you so you won't end up: Richie Ric = ****** forever

Hitting in the back of the head is dangerous that can end a fighter's life or put him in a coma, that's why it's illegal and cheating.

OP, you do not teach them to cheat, you do not teach them something illegal, you do not resist what the public wants because boxing is after all still a business, and most importantly you do not fix a wrong decision with another wrong decision, instead, you adjust/change the rule of the game to make it better; -- to make it closer to what the public envisioned it to be.

Which is why the best solution is to encourage both fighters to practice the real modern day sweet science which is: "hit and not get hit and be in position to hit again." this is important, because the modern day sweet science discourages those hit and runners/huggers which are the remnants of old traditional sweet science practitioners which is: "hit and not get hit only", which have evidently contributed greatly in hurting the business of boxing as a whole due to the casual fans perception of that style as boring and yet still winning. Casual fans don't understand this so called traditional sweet science which the purists is so fond of, I'm not saying it's time to phase it out, but, instead, it's time to upgrade it, make it better and make it closely appealing to what the casual fans envisioned it to be. It is very important, because casual fans is the engine of the sport, they dictate the direction of where the business or boxing is headed. You give them what they want, and you will reap what you sow.

Good post.

[extracurRICular]

Good post.

Good Alt....................

[extracurRICular]

[brettWall]

If the ref is doing nothing about it, then I'd do a bear hug and slam the damn clown on the floor. If that doesn't do it, I'd bite the clown's neck. It should be an eye for an eye thing. These huggers should never get away with it. They're cheating.

[extracurRICular]

If the ref is doing nothing about it, then I'd do a bear hug and slam the damn clown on the floor. If that doesn't do it, I'd bite the clown's neck. It should be an eye for an eye thing. These huggers should never get away with it. They're cheating.

[brettWall]

I'll bump this thread when Brook fights. Everyone should laser-focus on this clown's clinching tactic.

Anyone have any video documenting this clown's hugging?

[BigAlexSand]

Yep funny thing is most of the time they have a free hand and dont do ****

What's funny, is fans are made at the Clinch/Holding but doesn't get mad at the Boxer not doing anything about getting out. The ref, almost always gives both fighters to either fight out of the clinch or allow the other fighter to do something. Yet most don't.