Comments Thread For: Mayweather Stands Firm On Rescinding Rematch Offer

[Bronx2245]

Who are these 'vocal many people' apart from the lunatic pac fans on NSB like yourself?

The same idiots that were furious with Max Kellerman for his post fight interview! You can't say anything about their deity (who, BTW, forgot to thank GOD in his post fight interview). Although everyone (Max, Roy, Jim Lampley, Al Bernstein, Lederman, and Farhood) thought Floyd won easily, Max was vilified for just telling Pacquiao, and making him look delusional. How dare Max treat Manny like every other fighter!

[ShoulderRoll]

I was hoping Manny would KO Floyd, before the fight I picked Floyd on points, Now, I am glad Manny lost, because he did not show any class after the fight, he even thought he won ? Floyd you are the best of this era of boxers and an all time great.

I agree that Pacquiao and his fans were classless in defeat. They can't accept the loss and refuse to give Floyd credit for being the better man in the ring.

It's not a good look.

[DeadLikeMe]

Good! No rematch for the Fighting Fraud of the Failippines!

[Bronx2245]

You are one pathetic excuse for a human being.

He's a lost puppy! I love this interview with Alex Ariza (AA):

BT: Well, obviously something must have happened for them to schedule surgery on it. I know you're not a doctor, but do you know anything about the type of surgery that's necessary for a shoulder injury? [Editor's note: This interview was conducted during the early morning hours on Wednesday, prior to Pacquiao's surgery.]

AA: What happens is that people get lost in the terminology. They start throwing out big names. "We went to Kerlan Jobe [Orthopaedic Clinic], who did surgery on Kobe Bryant." I don't give a **** if Kerlan Jobe worked on the Queen of England. That doesn't mean **** to me, and it means even less when they say Manny is going to have "surgery". That doesn't mean a thing to me either. Who gives a ****? What's going to mean something to the fans, to the public, and to the media is when they say, "We had to make an evasive cut to repair, suture, stitch, or staple a ligament that had been torn." That's what's going to matter. All this other horse **** is the same thing that they did when there was a supposed "contract" that existed, but never existed.
The same people that claimed Manny Pacquiao sigend a contract that never existed are now saying that there was a pre-existing shoulder injury. I don't buy it. "Oh, we took an MRI." So ****ing what? Let me tell you what's going to happen. They're going to scope the shoulder, which is nothing more than a few little incisions, and they're going to send the little camera in there and they're going to look around. My bet is that they're going to find nothing.

BT: When you say they're going to scope the shoulder, technically, that is considered surgery though, right?

AA: It is surgery. It's not invasive. I mean, it's an outpatient clinic thing. You go in there and it takes less than a couple of hours. If there's nothing wrong, you can go back to functional movement the next day without them doing nothing; just moving around some things. They'll manipulate the shoulder in certain directions and areas and they'll start to look at connective tissues, ligaments, tendons, muscles; anything that can indicate that Manny really has a tear. They also said they have a MRI, but MRIs are about maybe 70-80% accurate on joints. You know, the soulder is like a map; it looks like a road map. Ligaments, tendons, muscles, and things like that, I mean, they just cross over each other, so it's a really complicated area. Once you get in there, you really get to see what you're doing. So they'll fill it up with a bunch of fluids so they'll be able to manipulate the shoulder, move the arm around, and see if there's any ligament damage or anything torn. But like I said, let's look into the crystal ball. This is what you're going to hear. Okay, they scope it and they'll find nothing wrong, so they'll say, "Manny Pacquiao has to go under extensive rehabilitation for 6 months." That's what you're going to hear, which is to say nothing more. There's nothing ****ing wrong with him.

BT: According to Bob Arum, this injury goes all the way back to the Oscar De La Hoya fight. He mentioned something about a jet ski accident that initially caused the injury during that time.

AA: This is the same Bob Arum that said Manny was afraid of needles too. This is the same Bob Arum that said there was a contract that Manny already signed.

BT: (Laughing) During the years you were working with Manny, do you ever recall any complaints about an injured shoulder?

AA: Never! Never! I emphatically deny that fact. When I was training Manny for 6 ****ing years, we never had a shoulder problem. Now listen, that's not to say we didn't have soreness. You know, this is a combative sport. I used to always tell Amir and Julio and all of them that we're never going to go into a fight 100%. But to say that you have something torn or you have something damaged that would impede your level of performance, no, Manny's never ever had any of those problems.

We've watched this fight 10 times and nothing indicates to me that Manny was favoring the shoulder or he wasn't doing something that looked to me that was impeding his way of fighting. You've seen a lot of basketball players where if they do something, boom, you know something's not right right away. Every round that I saw Manny in, they weren't working on his shoulder. They weren't trying to adjust it or manipluate it in some way to see if they could find some kind of level of comfort. They didn't put any ice on it or nothing. yourself manually doing something to notify your corner? I would've said, "Tell me where it hurts? What's wrong? Why aren't you doing a ****ing thing out there?" What I'm saying is that in the corner, you don't see any urgency to figure out what's wrong. If there's a shoulder problem that early in the fight, you start going to work, right?

If your rotator cuff is that messed up, trust me, you're not moving it, bro. It's the most uncomfortable and wierd feeling. You're talking about something that's an internal discomfort that you've never felt before and it's kind of scary. It kind of freaks you out. All of a sudden, your arm is not functioning. He won the sixth round, I think, on a right hand, you know. Now you're going to tell me the excuses were his legs, he couldn't punch for two weeks, and now he had a shoulder problem. To be honest with you, I'm a little disappointed. I mean, not to have the character as a professional athlete just to take the loss as opposed to stealing away the peformance of your opponent, who completely neutralized you all night and made you have the least amount of effectiveness out of 47 other opponents. That's how dominated you got, and you're considered number 2 pound-for-pound?

Again, it's not Manny's fault that he had an inept crew. It's like Floyd said, man, we did so much work, but we didn't even get to show it. We didn't get to show the strength, the power, the conditioning. We didn't get to show half the **** that we worked on because Manny was a deer in headlights all night and didn't want to come in. It was probably one of the easiest fights I think he's ever had. You know, our second or third week, of course Floyd is older and things were starting to catch up with him as hard as he was training. What did we do? We troubleshoot the injuries and aches, we avoid the things that are causing the problems, and we look for other alternatives to continue your workout. Let that problem alleviate itself, focus on it, have people rehabilitate it and working on it with ice bags and cryotherapy. How he felt physically, only he knows. He might have been still feeling it, but he 100% went in there and he fought and he won and he beat your ass, so ****ing give the guy his props. Don't make excuses, man. At 67 ****ing fights, you're going to tell me he didn't know any better about what to do? Something doesn't make sense to me here because this supposedly happened awhile ago. If he had a significant tear three or four weeks ago, why would any doctor not write and say, "Hey, I'm not approving him to go through with this." So did he have a significant tear back then or he had a significant tear now? Which is it? There's so many inconsistencies. He could've tore it during the fight for all we know. That's what happens when you don't have a real professional group, or real professional agent, or real professional manager. Obviously you have a liar for a promoter and now you yourself are starting to become just like them, and that's the sad part. Now your character is starting to come into question, because to be honest with you, I don't believe it.

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article20434.html

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He's a lost puppy! I love this interview with Alex Ariza (AA):

BT: Well, obviously something must have happened for them to schedule surgery on it. I know you're not a doctor, but do you know anything about the type of surgery that's necessary for a shoulder injury? [Editor's note: This interview was conducted during the early morning hours on Wednesday, prior to Pacquiao's surgery.]

AA: What happens is that people get lost in the terminology. They start throwing out big names. "We went to Kerlan Jobe [Orthopaedic Clinic], who did surgery on Kobe Bryant." I don't give a **** if Kerlan Jobe worked on the Queen of England. That doesn't mean **** to me, and it means even less when they say Manny is going to have "surgery". That doesn't mean a thing to me either. Who gives a ****? What's going to mean something to the fans, to the public, and to the media is when they say, "We had to make an evasive cut to repair, suture, stitch, or staple a ligament that had been torn." That's what's going to matter. All this other horse **** is the same thing that they did when there was a supposed "contract" that existed, but never existed.
The same people that claimed Manny Pacquiao sigend a contract that never existed are now saying that there was a pre-existing shoulder injury. I don't buy it. "Oh, we took an MRI." So ****ing what? Let me tell you what's going to happen. They're going to scope the shoulder, which is nothing more than a few little incisions, and they're going to send the little camera in there and they're going to look around. My bet is that they're going to find nothing.

BT: When you say they're going to scope the shoulder, technically, that is considered surgery though, right?

AA: It is surgery. It's not invasive. I mean, it's an outpatient clinic thing. You go in there and it takes less than a couple of hours. If there's nothing wrong, you can go back to functional movement the next day without them doing nothing; just moving around some things. They'll manipulate the shoulder in certain directions and areas and they'll start to look at connective tissues, ligaments, tendons, muscles; anything that can indicate that Manny really has a tear. They also said they have a MRI, but MRIs are about maybe 70-80% accurate on joints. You know, the soulder is like a map; it looks like a road map. Ligaments, tendons, muscles, and things like that, I mean, they just cross over each other, so it's a really complicated area. Once you get in there, you really get to see what you're doing. So they'll fill it up with a bunch of fluids so they'll be able to manipulate the shoulder, move the arm around, and see if there's any ligament damage or anything torn. But like I said, let's look into the crystal ball. This is what you're going to hear. Okay, they scope it and they'll find nothing wrong, so they'll say, "Manny Pacquiao has to go under extensive rehabilitation for 6 months." That's what you're going to hear, which is to say nothing more. There's nothing ****ing wrong with him.

BT: According to Bob Arum, this injury goes all the way back to the Oscar De La Hoya fight. He mentioned something about a jet ski accident that initially caused the injury during that time.

AA: This is the same Bob Arum that said Manny was afraid of needles too. This is the same Bob Arum that said there was a contract that Manny already signed.

BT: (Laughing) During the years you were working with Manny, do you ever recall any complaints about an injured shoulder?

AA: Never! Never! I emphatically deny that fact. When I was training Manny for 6 ****ing years, we never had a shoulder problem. Now listen, that's not to say we didn't have soreness. You know, this is a combative sport. I used to always tell Amir and Julio and all of them that we're never going to go into a fight 100%. But to say that you have something torn or you have something damaged that would impede your level of performance, no, Manny's never ever had any of those problems.

We've watched this fight 10 times and nothing indicates to me that Manny was favoring the shoulder or he wasn't doing something that looked to me that was impeding his way of fighting. You've seen a lot of basketball players where if they do something, boom, you know something's not right right away. Every round that I saw Manny in, they weren't working on his shoulder. They weren't trying to adjust it or manipluate it in some way to see if they could find some kind of level of comfort. They didn't put any ice on it or nothing. yourself manually doing something to notify your corner? I would've said, "Tell me where it hurts? What's wrong? Why aren't you doing a ****ing thing out there?" What I'm saying is that in the corner, you don't see any urgency to figure out what's wrong. If there's a shoulder problem that early in the fight, you start going to work, right?

If your rotator cuff is that messed up, trust me, you're not moving it, bro. It's the most uncomfortable and wierd feeling. You're talking about something that's an internal discomfort that you've never felt before and it's kind of scary. It kind of freaks you out. All of a sudden, your arm is not functioning. He won the sixth round, I think, on a right hand, you know. Now you're going to tell me the excuses were his legs, he couldn't punch for two weeks, and now he had a shoulder problem. To be honest with you, I'm a little disappointed. I mean, not to have the character as a professional athlete just to take the loss as opposed to stealing away the peformance of your opponent, who completely neutralized you all night and made you have the least amount of effectiveness out of 47 other opponents. That's how dominated you got, and you're considered number 2 pound-for-pound?

Again, it's not Manny's fault that he had an inept crew. It's like Floyd said, man, we did so much work, but we didn't even get to show it. We didn't get to show the strength, the power, the conditioning. We didn't get to show half the **** that we worked on because Manny was a deer in headlights all night and didn't want to come in. It was probably one of the easiest fights I think he's ever had. You know, our second or third week, of course Floyd is older and things were starting to catch up with him as hard as he was training. What did we do? We troubleshoot the injuries and aches, we avoid the things that are causing the problems, and we look for other alternatives to continue your workout. Let that problem alleviate itself, focus on it, have people rehabilitate it and working on it with ice bags and cryotherapy. How he felt physically, only he knows. He might have been still feeling it, but he 100% went in there and he fought and he won and he beat your ass, so ****ing give the guy his props. Don't make excuses, man. At 67 ****ing fights, you're going to tell me he didn't know any better about what to do? Something doesn't make sense to me here because this supposedly happened awhile ago. If he had a significant tear three or four weeks ago, why would any doctor not write and say, "Hey, I'm not approving him to go through with this." So did he have a significant tear back then or he had a significant tear now? Which is it? There's so many inconsistencies. He could've tore it during the fight for all we know. That's what happens when you don't have a real professional group, or real professional agent, or real professional manager. Obviously you have a liar for a promoter and now you yourself are starting to become just like them, and that's the sad part. Now your character is starting to come into question, because to be honest with you, I don't believe it.

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article20434.html

Thats one of them pwnages that is uncomfortable to watch

Ariza went in like the time he "Roadhoused" Roach

[jaded]

A lot of people seem to forget the reason why Money Mayweather fights.

[Johnny2x2x]

Floyd's boxing resume just seems complete now. There is nothing left for him to prove. He fought everyone he had to.

[DeadLikeMe]

He's a lost puppy! I love this interview with Alex Ariza (AA):

BT: Well, obviously something must have happened for them to schedule surgery on it. I know you're not a doctor, but do you know anything about the type of surgery that's necessary for a shoulder injury? [Editor's note: This interview was conducted during the early morning hours on Wednesday, prior to Pacquiao's surgery.]

AA: What happens is that people get lost in the terminology. They start throwing out big names. "We went to Kerlan Jobe [Orthopaedic Clinic], who did surgery on Kobe Bryant." I don't give a **** if Kerlan Jobe worked on the Queen of England. That doesn't mean **** to me, and it means even less when they say Manny is going to have "surgery". That doesn't mean a thing to me either. Who gives a ****? What's going to mean something to the fans, to the public, and to the media is when they say, "We had to make an evasive cut to repair, suture, stitch, or staple a ligament that had been torn." That's what's going to matter. All this other horse **** is the same thing that they did when there was a supposed "contract" that existed, but never existed.
The same people that claimed Manny Pacquiao sigend a contract that never existed are now saying that there was a pre-existing shoulder injury. I don't buy it. "Oh, we took an MRI." So ****ing what? Let me tell you what's going to happen. They're going to scope the shoulder, which is nothing more than a few little incisions, and they're going to send the little camera in there and they're going to look around. My bet is that they're going to find nothing.

BT: When you say they're going to scope the shoulder, technically, that is considered surgery though, right?

AA: It is surgery. It's not invasive. I mean, it's an outpatient clinic thing. You go in there and it takes less than a couple of hours. If there's nothing wrong, you can go back to functional movement the next day without them doing nothing; just moving around some things. They'll manipulate the shoulder in certain directions and areas and they'll start to look at connective tissues, ligaments, tendons, muscles; anything that can indicate that Manny really has a tear. They also said they have a MRI, but MRIs are about maybe 70-80% accurate on joints. You know, the soulder is like a map; it looks like a road map. Ligaments, tendons, muscles, and things like that, I mean, they just cross over each other, so it's a really complicated area. Once you get in there, you really get to see what you're doing. So they'll fill it up with a bunch of fluids so they'll be able to manipulate the shoulder, move the arm around, and see if there's any ligament damage or anything torn. But like I said, let's look into the crystal ball. This is what you're going to hear. Okay, they scope it and they'll find nothing wrong, so they'll say, "Manny Pacquiao has to go under extensive rehabilitation for 6 months." That's what you're going to hear, which is to say nothing more. There's nothing ****ing wrong with him.

BT: According to Bob Arum, this injury goes all the way back to the Oscar De La Hoya fight. He mentioned something about a jet ski accident that initially caused the injury during that time.

AA: This is the same Bob Arum that said Manny was afraid of needles too. This is the same Bob Arum that said there was a contract that Manny already signed.

BT: (Laughing) During the years you were working with Manny, do you ever recall any complaints about an injured shoulder?

AA: Never! Never! I emphatically deny that fact. When I was training Manny for 6 ****ing years, we never had a shoulder problem. Now listen, that's not to say we didn't have soreness. You know, this is a combative sport. I used to always tell Amir and Julio and all of them that we're never going to go into a fight 100%. But to say that you have something torn or you have something damaged that would impede your level of performance, no, Manny's never ever had any of those problems.

We've watched this fight 10 times and nothing indicates to me that Manny was favoring the shoulder or he wasn't doing something that looked to me that was impeding his way of fighting. You've seen a lot of basketball players where if they do something, boom, you know something's not right right away. Every round that I saw Manny in, they weren't working on his shoulder. They weren't trying to adjust it or manipluate it in some way to see if they could find some kind of level of comfort. They didn't put any ice on it or nothing. yourself manually doing something to notify your corner? I would've said, "Tell me where it hurts? What's wrong? Why aren't you doing a ****ing thing out there?" What I'm saying is that in the corner, you don't see any urgency to figure out what's wrong. If there's a shoulder problem that early in the fight, you start going to work, right?

If your rotator cuff is that messed up, trust me, you're not moving it, bro. It's the most uncomfortable and wierd feeling. You're talking about something that's an internal discomfort that you've never felt before and it's kind of scary. It kind of freaks you out. All of a sudden, your arm is not functioning. He won the sixth round, I think, on a right hand, you know. Now you're going to tell me the excuses were his legs, he couldn't punch for two weeks, and now he had a shoulder problem. To be honest with you, I'm a little disappointed. I mean, not to have the character as a professional athlete just to take the loss as opposed to stealing away the peformance of your opponent, who completely neutralized you all night and made you have the least amount of effectiveness out of 47 other opponents. That's how dominated you got, and you're considered number 2 pound-for-pound?

Again, it's not Manny's fault that he had an inept crew. It's like Floyd said, man, we did so much work, but we didn't even get to show it. We didn't get to show the strength, the power, the conditioning. We didn't get to show half the **** that we worked on because Manny was a deer in headlights all night and didn't want to come in. It was probably one of the easiest fights I think he's ever had. You know, our second or third week, of course Floyd is older and things were starting to catch up with him as hard as he was training. What did we do? We troubleshoot the injuries and aches, we avoid the things that are causing the problems, and we look for other alternatives to continue your workout. Let that problem alleviate itself, focus on it, have people rehabilitate it and working on it with ice bags and cryotherapy. How he felt physically, only he knows. He might have been still feeling it, but he 100% went in there and he fought and he won and he beat your ass, so ****ing give the guy his props. Don't make excuses, man. At 67 ****ing fights, you're going to tell me he didn't know any better about what to do? Something doesn't make sense to me here because this supposedly happened awhile ago. If he had a significant tear three or four weeks ago, why would any doctor not write and say, "Hey, I'm not approving him to go through with this." So did he have a significant tear back then or he had a significant tear now? Which is it? There's so many inconsistencies. He could've tore it during the fight for all we know. That's what happens when you don't have a real professional group, or real professional agent, or real professional manager. Obviously you have a liar for a promoter and now you yourself are starting to become just like them, and that's the sad part. Now your character is starting to come into question, because to be honest with you, I don't believe it.

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article20434.html

A nice summary of what most people are thinking.

[jaded]

Floyd's boxing resume just seems complete now. There is nothing left for him to prove. He fought everyone he had to.

So the reason why Money Mayweather fights is for his the prestige of his resume? Maybe he will change his name to Floyd Resume Mayweather.

[IMDAZED]

A lot of people seem to forget the reason why Money Mayweather fights.

Money. We all know. It's why everyone works. And if Mayweather is as smart as he claims to be, he has an exit strategy. Isn't this the guy who sent a letter to members of his team telling them that their services would no longer be needed after September? I'm not convinced he's coming back at all and I don't think public pressure, something he's never cared about, will change that.

And for the record, people need to stop with this so "much money to be made in a rematch" crap. As hard as they're pushing this shoulder story, no one is buying. In fact, they're shooting it dead before it even starts. A year is a long time from now and it wouldn't surprise me if Mayweather is retired and Manny is still fighting on for money, looking increasingly worse while his popularity wanes. Happens to many great fighters. The fairy tale is over and if you think Floyd Mayweather is gonna be the one handing out lifelines than you better snap back to reality.