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  • Loque-san
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    #31
    Originally posted by HI-TECH Boxing
    Well who is the best Middleweight in your opinion? Alimkhanuly is only 22 years old, he could learn a lot from someone like Abel and GGG if he turned pro early. Alimkhanuly seems to have the conditioning problems, that's what worries me. Yeleussinov is great, let's just hope these guys turn pro.
    There is currently no clear number 1 in this division in my opinion. Khamukov, Chebotarev, Normatov, Lopez and Alimkhanuly are the stand out boxers. If I had to pick one, it would be Petr Khamukov. He has impressed in the WSB this season.

    Originally posted by HI-TECH Boxing
    Age shouldn't be an excuse. There is a lot of boxers, even American boxers, that do great even at a young age. Gary Russell Jr. was a bronze medalist at the World Amateur Championships at only 17, Rau'shee Warren bronze at 18 competed at the Olympics at 17, Frankie Gomez was 17 when he won his silver medal at the 2009 World Amateur Championships (it's a shame what's happening to this kid, Golden Boy should have allowed him to stay amateur til the Olympics).
    Plus Selimov has lost a step or two, he's not that good anymore.
    Carlos Balderas has yet to compete in a major international championship. He will represent the USA at the 2015 Pan American Games and probably at the 2015 AIBA W.C as well. His division is loaded with talent but he might grab a medal.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Loque-san
      There is currently no clear number 1 in this division in my opinion. Khamukov, Chebotarev, Normatov, Lopez and Alimkhanuly are the stand out boxers. If I had to pick one, it would be Petr Khamukov. He has impressed in the WSB this season.

      Carlos Balderas has yet to compete in a major international championship. He will represent the USA at the 2015 Pan American Games and probably at the 2015 AIBA W.C as well. His division is loaded with talent but he might grab a medal.
      Well let's see what happens this year at the World Championships. Isn't Khamukov Russian? So if he qualified for the Olympics already, where does that leave Artem? Maybe he'll go pro now, unless he can also qualify and have a box-off with Khamukov.

      Well I'll give you that, Balderas has yet to compete at a major international championship. He will not medal at the W.C. tho, Jose Ramirez was way better than Balderas in my opinion and he couldn't do it (facing Loma early didn't help). He might medal at the Pan Am games but that's because there is only 10 boxers competing at them. But no way he beats Lazaro Alvarez or Robson Conceicao so at best he gets a Bronze, maybe a Silver if he could avoid Alvarez and Conceicao. I would also take Lindolfo Delgado of Mexico (who I thought gave Lazaro a great fight at the Central and Caribbean games last year). Jose Diaz of Venezuela and Jose Rosario of Puerto Rico may also be able to take him.

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        #33
        Countries like Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc produce so many good amateur fighters, more of them need to turn pro. They're hiding some of the biggest secret weapons in boxing.

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          #34
          Originally posted by HI-TECH Boxing
          Well let's see what happens this year at the World Championships. Isn't Khamukov Russian? So if he qualified for the Olympics already, where does that leave Artem? Maybe he'll go pro now, unless he can also qualify and have a box-off with Khamukov.

          Well I'll give you that, Balderas has yet to compete at a major international championship. He will not medal at the W.C. tho, Jose Ramirez was way better than Balderas in my opinion and he couldn't do it (facing Loma early didn't help). He might medal at the Pan Am games but that's because there is only 10 boxers competing at them. But no way he beats Lazaro Alvarez or Robson Conceicao so at best he gets a Bronze, maybe a Silver if he could avoid Alvarez and Conceicao. I would also take Lindolfo Delgado of Mexico (who I thought gave Lazaro a great fight at the Central and Caribbean games last year). Jose Diaz of Venezuela and Jose Rosario of Puerto Rico may also be able to take him.
          Russia will indeed have to choose between Chebotarev and Khamukov. Artem competes in AIBA Pro Boxing right now. I assume the scoring criteria is very different from amateur championships. Khamukov is the more polished fighter of the two and he seems to hit just as hard. His performance against Normatov a few weeks ago was superb.

          I agree with you as far Balderas' chances to win a medal at the WC this year. The competition will be too fierce. However, outside of Lazaro Alvarez - who is probably the best lightweight in the world - he can beat anyone at the Panam Games.
          Last edited by Loque-san; 05-09-2015, 09:47 AM.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Loque-san
            Russia will indeed have to choose between Chebotarev and Khamukov. Artem competes in AIBA Pro Boxing right now. I assume the scoring criteria is very different from amateur championships. Khamukov is the more polished fighter of the two and he seems to hit just as hard. His performance against Normatov a few weeks ago was superb.

            I agree with you as far Balderas' chances to win a medal at the WC this year. The competition will be too fierce. However, outside of Lazaro Alvarez - who is probably the best lightweight in the world - he can beat anyone at the Panam Games.
            Artem should just turn pro, he's already what 26 or 27, well if he even wants to go pro. Imagine him vs Khytrov in the future. Two big punchers going at it. Petr is a little younger. I just wish these Eastern European and Asian fighters would turn pro. But it is difficult for them as they might not get any support, they will have to work harder than say an American, Mexican and Puerto Rican. Right now the talent is over in Europe and Asia imo.

            I would take Robson of Brazil over Balderas and Lindolfo Delgado of Mexico will have a good shot at beating Balderas. I'm not trying to **** on Balderas, I just haven't been too impressed, he has good movement and counter punches pretty well though. I think he'll have a decent career in the pros, but I feel like he wouldn't be anything great tbh.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Tom Cruise
              Ramirez was caught trying to escape Cuba to turn pro and was banned from boxing for a while. He's back in the team now I think as he had a fight in January.
              That wasn't Robeisy Ramirez... That was Roniel Iglesias. Robeisy was banned from the team, but it was due to lack of coming to the exercises that the team had.

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                #37
                Originally posted by HI-TECH Boxing
                Well let's see what happens this year at the World Championships. Isn't Khamukov Russian? So if he qualified for the Olympics already, where does that leave Artem? Maybe he'll go pro now, unless he can also qualify and have a box-off with Khamukov.

                Well I'll give you that, Balderas has yet to compete at a major international championship. He will not medal at the W.C. tho, Jose Ramirez was way better than Balderas in my opinion and he couldn't do it (facing Loma early didn't help). He might medal at the Pan Am games but that's because there is only 10 boxers competing at them. But no way he beats Lazaro Alvarez or Robson Conceicao so at best he gets a Bronze, maybe a Silver if he could avoid Alvarez and Conceicao. I would also take Lindolfo Delgado of Mexico (who I thought gave Lazaro a great fight at the Central and Caribbean games last year). Jose Diaz of Venezuela and Jose Rosario of Puerto Rico may also be able to take him.
                I don't think any of those 3 guys would beat Lazaro in the olympics without a BS Gift decision.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by HI-TECH Boxing
                  Artem should just turn pro, he's already what 26 or 27, well if he even wants to go pro. Imagine him vs Khytrov in the future. Two big punchers going at it. Petr is a little younger. I just wish these Eastern European and Asian fighters would turn pro. But it is difficult for them as they might not get any support, they will have to work harder than say an American, Mexican and Puerto Rican. Right now the talent is over in Europe and Asia imo..
                  We won't see him in the pro ranks anytime soon. He is already 27 and I think he has signed a long-term deal with the AIBA. Kazakh boxers, just as Cuban boxers but for different reasons, rarely turn pro. When they do, they have to leave their family, start a new life in a foreign country, and as you said, work harder than the others waiting for opportunities. It is too much of a gamble. Besides, their Boxing Federation has invested a lot of money in this sport and they have everything they need as amateurs. With the creation of AIBA Pro Boxing, we may see even less boxers from Eastern Europe and Central Asia turn pro in the future.

                  Originally posted by HI-TECH Boxing
                  I would take Robson of Brazil over Balderas and Lindolfo Delgado of Mexico will have a good shot at beating Balderas. I'm not trying to **** on Balderas, I just haven't been too impressed, he has good movement and counter punches pretty well though. I think he'll have a decent career in the pros, but I feel like he wouldn't be anything great tbh..
                  Conceicao and Delgado would be tough fights for Balderas for sure. The emergence of good Mexican amateur boxers has been a good surprise. Velasquez, Curiel and Delgado are all good fighters.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by BrushMyHair
                    I don't think any of those 3 guys would beat Lazaro in the olympics without a BS Gift decision.
                    I was talking about them beating Carlos Balderas. Maybe my wording is off, I try to type hella fast lol.
                    Nobody beats Lazaro that's why I hope he could somehow turn pro. Alvarez vs Lomachenko in the pros would be great. We'll have to see how Alvarez does in the pros tho, he doesn't seem to sit down on his punches. I still like his style very much.
                    Last edited by HI-TECH Boxing; 05-09-2015, 11:16 AM.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Loque-san
                      We won't see him in the pro ranks anytime soon. He is already 27 and I think he has signed a long-term deal with the AIBA. Kazakh boxers, just as Cuban boxers but for different reasons, rarely turn pro. When they do, they have to leave their family, start a new life in a foreign country, and as you said, work harder than the others waiting for opportunities. It is too much of a gamble. Besides, their Boxing Federation has invested a lot of money in this sport and they have everything they need as amateurs. With the creation of AIBA Pro Boxing, we may see even less boxers from Eastern Europe and Central Asia turn pro in the future.



                      Conceicao and Delgado would be tough fights for Balderas for sure. The emergence of good Mexican amateur boxers has been a good surprise. Velasquez, Curiel and Delgado are all good fighters.
                      I wasn't aware that he signed a contract with AIBA, well that's a waste. AIBA is definitely against pro boxing, there is a lot of corruption in professional boxing though. But there is also corruption in the amateurs. But like you said it's just so much harder for these guys and their Boxing Federation does take care of them much better than countries in the Americas.

                      I don't think the talent for these Olympics are as high as they were in 2012. Many of talents at these Olympics will have question marks, will they even turn pro? I'm not that impressed with the top Americans right now, I remember some of them were even getting beat up in the WSB.

                      Yeah, I'm high on Curiel and Delgado and they will most likely turn pro. But who knows, maybe the reason they are amateurs is because they don't need the money.

                      I wonder when we will get another prodigy like Lomachenko or Rigondeaux. At the age of 20 win a gold medal and then comeback 4 years later and win another gold then turn pro. Something like that.
                      Maybe there will be a surprise talent at the W.C. this year or Olympics next year.
                      Last edited by HI-TECH Boxing; 05-09-2015, 11:22 AM.

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