Comments Thread For: Golden Boy Files Official Lawsuit Against Al Haymon

[Scipio2009]

Big difference HBO is just a network. And we NEVER hear fighters call HBO their promoter like Haymon fighters constantly slip up and do. Plus all HBO fighters are signed to an actual promoter. Fighters are signed to Haymon but officially have no promoter which is shady and adds to the claim. And the lawsuit just came out who is to say HBO won't join in? Already WBO and ABC have joined in Golden Boy's lawsuit of Haymon. Trust more promoters and organizations will follow. He is clearly more then just an adviser you have to be blind to not see that.

What's to stop GYM, the World Boxing Council, and Adonis Stevenson from suing HBO for blocking Stevenson-Kovalev, if the argument is that an outside entity is barring promoters/fighters from competing? (Duva pushed the WBC to consider her request, both camps are apparently open to the fight and are willing to work together, but HBO's involvement has not only blocked Duva from participating in the open bidding process, it has also laid out the directive that HBO is only willing to consider the fight if they are the sole bidder)

What's to stop Caribe Promotions from suing HBO/Top Rank on behalf of Guillermo Rigondeaux? (Rigondeaux trounces Donaire, fights Agbeko and sees Top Rank/HBO argue to never showcase another one of his fights, but his Top Rank co-promotional contract and their symbiotic relationship with HBO has left his career largely stalled for the last two years)

at least those cases would have actual evidence and injured parties.

[Cinci Champ]

free fights for fans ill sue you i only care about the fans doe

[Sweet Jones]

Haymon has promoters, are the promoters the ones organizing the events?

Let's explore..

The Sports Business Daily article describes how it's cutting promoters out:



It's Haymon and his investors who are meeting with television executives...



Haymon and his invesors are the ones getting the rights fees, dealing with sponsors...







It's the Haymon/PBC "brand" that they're building...





And it's Haymon and his investors that are the ones paying for...







And it's Haymon's aim to get a collection of fighters for a TV deal rights:





And who's making the decisions about ticket prices, etc? ...




http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/J...epth/Main.aspx

One could argue that the establishment of the PBC brand, which based on the article in question, will provide fighters more access to venues, more income streams, higher paydays, and more television exposure and dates outside of the control of the current 'promoter-controls-my-career'/network collusion based model under which boxing business is currently conducted, IS the very definition of an advisor acting in the best financial interest of his client.

[Barcham]

What's to stop GYM, the World Boxing Council, and Adonis Stevenson from suing HBO for blocking Stevenson-Kovalev, if the argument is that an outside entity is barring promoters/fighters from competing? (Duva pushed the WBC to consider her request, both camps are apparently open to the fight and are willing to work together, but HBO's involvement has not only blocked Duva from participating in the open bidding process, it has also laid out the directive that HBO is only willing to consider the fight if they are the sole bidder)

What's to stop Caribe Promotions from suing HBO/Top Rank on behalf of Guillermo Rigondeaux? (Rigondeaux trounces Donaire, fights Agbeko and sees Top Rank/HBO argue to never showcase another one of his fights, but his Top Rank co-promotional contract and their symbiotic relationship with HBO has left his career largely stalled for the last two years)

at least those cases would have actual evidence and injured parties.

Because HBO is NOT preventing Stevenson from fighting Kovalev. It just has to happen on HBO because Kovalev has an exclusive contract. You cannot sue someone because they are following the terms of their legally signed contract. No one forced Kovalev to sign his contract, it was done of his own free will. HBO is a private business and they have the right to choose what programming they decide to show on their network. I cannot sue HBO because they will not broadcast my television series, I just have to make a series good enough for them to want to broadcast and pay for.

You really are brain dead, aren't you?

[Barcham]

One could argue that the establishment of the PBC brand, which based on the article in question, will provide fighters more access to venues, more income streams, higher paydays, and more television exposure and dates outside of the control of the current 'promoter-controls-my-career'/network collusion based model under which boxing business is currently conducted, IS the very definition of an advisor acting in the best financial interest of his client.

You can argue whatever the hell you want. If it breaks the law, it breaks the law. I may own a stable of taxis and if my cabs don't have to follow the speed limits or stop at red lights they can get people around much faster and more efficiently. I don't think that argument would go over to well when contesting tickets in court.

[Scipio2009]

After listening to the guy from the WBO it sound like they just want to know how he is doing what he is doing more than anything. Why are fighters jumping to him, how he is paying them good money I think that is what they want to know. Also think they're a little nervous about their future especially with fighters seeming to jump to him on a Weekly Bases. Then the WBO because if he makes his own belts that means these Belt Organizations won't be getting their fees from Top Fighters in Boxing

This Lawsuit would work if it was FIGHTERS and not Competition complaining about the way he does business.

The WBO jumped in, outside of their seeming affiliation with Top Rank/HBO, because Kameda-McDonnel was supposed to be sanctioned as a WBO/wba unification fight, the WBO balked at their champion facing a secondary champion (who is still top 10 at the weight, btw), and Kameda, respectfully, told them to go **** themselves, fighting for just the wba belt instead.

The 'make his own belt' argument is a red herring; boxing has a near 200 year history to look to, over 100 years of which can be looked to within the modern era (with title belts being widely visible for the last 60 years). A PBC belt isn't going to erase that history (PBC "unified" champion would only make sense in maybe a handful of fights: Klitschko-Wilder for all the belts, Stevenson-Kovalev for all the belts, Mayweather-Brook for all the belts. That's about it.)

[SchoolTheseCats]

Because HBO is NOT preventing Stevenson from fighting Kovalev. It just has to happen on HBO because Kovalev has an exclusive contract. You cannot sue someone because they are following the terms of their legally signed contract. No one forced Kovalev to sign his contract, it was done of his own free will. HBO is a private business and they have the right to choose what programming they decide to show on their network. I cannot sue HBO because they will not broadcast my television series, I just have to make a series good enough for them to want to broadcast and pay for.

You really are brain dead, aren't you?

Kovalev has not signed a new exclusive contract with HBO they holding the right to refusal thing in his last exclusive contract to hamper the Stevenson vs Krusher fight since they going air kova mando fight against muhemdeii or whatever his name is which duva doesn't want to mess up her last leg she has in race so as a promoter she kneeling down to HBO demands and not having her fighter best interest in sight so she can have a network that will air the last couple of fighters signed to her promotional company

[OnePunch]

Kovalev has not signed a new exclusive contract with HBO they holding the right to refusal thing in his last exclusive contract to hamper the Stevenson vs Krusher fight since they going air kova mando fight against muhemdeii or whatever his name is which duva doesn't want to mess up her last leg she has in race so as a promoter she kneeling down to HBO demands and not having her fighter best interest in sight so she can have a network that will air the last couple of fighters signed to her promotional company

If you truly think that HBO would block Kovalev-Stevenson just so they can show Kovalev-Mohammed, then you have lost your mind.

[wlliam]

I think one of the significantly relevant points will be that even though he retains a "promoter" on paper to run the event, Haymon pays that "promoter" a flat fee, but it is Haymon that receives and controls all the advertising and ticket revenue. That makes Haymon a de facto promoter, in direct violation of the Ali Act.......

I know what ur saying. How I see it though, is that as long as their is a licensed promoter involved in all necessary aspects of staging events, technically theyre in accordance with the law.

[Barcham]

Kovalev has not signed a new exclusive contract with HBO they holding the right to refusal thing in his last exclusive contract to hamper the Stevenson vs Krusher fight since they going air kova mando fight against muhemdeii or whatever his name is which duva doesn't want to mess up her last leg she has in race so as a promoter she kneeling down to HBO demands and not having her fighter best interest in sight so she can have a network that will air the last couple of fighters signed to her promotional company

That is correct. They have first right of refusal based on his last contract. That is still a legal contract, signed willingly and openly and it is still valid in a court of law. You cannot sue someone for adhering to the terms of a contract, only for breaking the terms of a contract.

By the way... the Mohammedi fight is a mandatory defense which would have to have been fought before the Stevenson fight no matter what happened. If GYM had allowed HBO to use their right of refusal on that fight before going to purse bid, we would not be having this discussion.