GBP preparing to file suit against Haymon

[MDPopescu]

Boxing is different as compared with MMA (which is "young") or other U.S. team sports which are organised in "leagues"... A PBC "league" will prove to be a too difficult task to undertake. Time will tell.

[Weebler I]

If I would be a business man who owns a promotional company and I would be at least partly responsible for my fighters future then yes, I wouldn't draw that line between the most powerful guy with the most quality fighters in the gam right now and me and I wouldn't **** up my fighters carreer with lock them out form almost the half of the opportunities. Almost... I must be kidding... More then half.

He's not, because he doesn't need him. There are plenty of fighters on the HBO side and in the rest of the world without deferring to Haymon TV and working with a man who tried to orchestrate your downfall.

Haymon is the force now, Oscar and Arum has to deal with it, like it or not... If they file lawsuits and ****, the only thing what they will achieve that the cold war will last longer. They already lost this war no need for them to make it longer it's pretty obvious who won if not then it will be once when in 2016 Pac will retire because the politics. Then TR will left out in the cold without a single PPV star. They should really try to make agreement with Haymon instead of file lawsuits against him.

Tell me who will win with this? The fans obviously not, the fighters under Haymon get more money than others so they also won't. So it looks like it would be only good for Oscar, Arum and probably HBO, not for the public.

Plenty of promoters operate without a PPV fighter, besides who is to say Top Rank will not build another one, they've shown to be fairly adept at it throughout their history.

The other thing is Haymon is not all that interested in working with other promoters anyway, he likes a closed shop. You seem very invested in Haymon boxing but as a fan I wonder why because he's not providing much of a product, free tv or not. You also said in another thread you're European so free tv really shouldn't matter to you unless you're living in the US.

[-PBP-]

Are you serious bro? Haymon decimates Oscar's company and you want GBP to be the connection between Haymon and TR?

If any line was drawn it was when Haymon drew the line when he thieved around 75% of De La Hoya's fighters and attempted to take over his company.

Would you want to play ball after that? I know I wouldn't.

A Haymon monopoly would be a disaster for the simple that he's demonstrated for the past 10 years, he doesn't put on the fights the consumer wants to see. PBC itself has been a damp squib so far.

Boxing in the US period have been a disaster for years. They've all tried to create monopolies and failed.

[HEND]

He's not, because he doesn't need him. There are plenty of fighters on the HBO side and in the rest of the world without deferring to Haymon TV and working with a man who tried to orchestrate your downfall.



Plenty of promoters operate without a PPV fighter, besides who is to say Top Rank will not build another one, they've shown to be fairly adept at it throughout their history.

The other thing is Haymon is not all that interested in working with other promoters anyway, he likes a closed shop. You seem very invested in Haymon boxing but as a fan I wonder why because he's not providing much of a product, free tv or not. You also said in another thread you're European so free tv really shouldn't matter to you unless you're living in the US.

Free TV doesn't matter for me in terms of "can I watch it free", sure but if it's made good in the US it can boosts the popularity of the sport and that's good for everyone American or not.
The thing what I want the most that any fighter can be matched with any without the political bullshit and now the situation is like Haymon and Arum won't work together --> one of them should resign I think that one should be Arum because Haymon pretty much outhustled him and Oscar and everyone. So I get that these guys have a big ego but I wish they wouldn't have because admit your loss and looking for agreement instead of hopeless fighting is special ability too.
As for relevant guys TR will left with Bradley, Crawford, Mikey Garcia, Loma, Walters and maybe Gradovich (I'm not sure that he is relevant enough though). That's 5 names, 6 with a good intention. + some young prospects. GBP has Canelo, Mathysse, Sadam Ali + some young prospects.
Haymon has: Maidana, Thurman, Khan, Porter, Danny Garcia, Peterson, Broner, Charlo(s), Lara, Quillin, Dirrel(s), Wilder, Imam, Beterbiev, Stevenson, Gary Russell, Barthelemy, Figueroa and while I hate him but even Santa Cruz...
+ young prospects like Errol Spence, Julian Williams


So tell me that Haymon didn't win... And as forthe PBC I think that he will and he already started to make better match ups than before. I think and I rather hope that he made those ****tty card last year because he waited for PBC to materialize. Just under a few months he made Peterson-Garcia (two top 5 guys in jww) and Thurman-Guerrero (two top 10 guys, on of them imo top 5 in ww)

[Weebler I]

Free TV doesn't matter for me in terms of "can I watch it free", sure but if it's made good in the US it can boosts the popularity of the sport and that's good for everyone American or not.

The thing what I want the most that any fighter can be matched with any without the political bullshit and now the situation is like Haymon and Arum won't work together --> one of them should resign I think that one should be Arum because Haymon pretty much outhustled him and Oscar and everyone. So I get that these guys have a big ego but I wish they wouldn't have because admit your loss and looking for agreement instead of hopeless fighting is special ability too.

As for relevant guys TR will left with Bradley, Crawford, Mikey Garcia, Loma, Walters and maybe Gradovich (I'm not sure that he is relevant enough though). That's 5 names, 6 with a good intention. + some young prospects. GBP has Canelo, Mathysse, Sadam Ali + some young prospects.
Haymon has: Maidana, Thurman, Khan, Porter, Danny Garcia, Peterson, Broner, Charlo(s), Lara, Quillin, Dirrel(s), Wilder, Imam, Beterbiev, Stevenson, Gary Russell, Barthelemy, Figueroa and while I hate him but even Santa Cruz...
+ young prospects like Errol Spence, Julian Williams

So tell me that Haymon didn't win... And as forthe PBC I think that he will and he already started to make better match ups than before. I think and I rather hope that he made those ****tty card last year because he waited for PBC to materialize. Just under a few months he made Peterson-Garcia (two top 5 guys in jww) and Thurman-Guerrero (two top 10 guys, on of them imo top 5 in ww)

Boxing promotion doesn't work like that, you don't resign when you're self-employed. Haymon hasn't outhustled anyone for as long as they're still making a profit, which I'm sure they are, TR pulling out is a pipe dream. Is Haymon making a profit on PBC yet? because the figures don't stack up and reaction has been lukewarm.

Half those names you've mentioned that Haymon has don't even have any fans, guys like Lara, Dirrells, Charlos, kid undercard, Porter etc. Amir Imam is with Don King.

No one was asking for Peterson-Garcia, and Thurman-Guerrero was hardly clash of the titans. But look at how many cards they've had all you can pull out is two mediocre match-ups. You want to turn the future of boxing over to this guy?

[Eff Pandas]

But he tells them they have to get his permission to fight certain boxers. He controls them, puts on their shows, promotes the shows through his company, and "manages" their careers.

Promoters do this all the time. Bob is notorious for saying Pacquiao, Marquez or Cotto can fight x, y or z next in the media ffs. He was just telling Cotto weeks ago he could fight Bundrage, Rios or Bradley before Cotto got with Roc Nation.

Thats exactly what Haymon does from the sounds of his fighters & the managers of the fighters I've heard talking about how Haymon works. HBO is constantly saying who guys can & can't fight. There are a lot of people "managing" & "promoting" if you loosen up the definitions enough to say Al is doing something wrong.

[Eff Pandas]

Boxing is different as compared with MMA (which is "young") or other U.S. team sports which are organised in "leagues"... A PBC "league" will prove to be a too difficult task to undertake. Time will tell.

I think its extremely possible PBC or someone else will create a league sooner or later. It'll take a long time to get it setup though. I'm thinking the Haymon alleged plan is ultimately gots a 8-10 year gap, minimum, til an actual victory could be claimed in creating a successful boxing league on par with other sports leagues.

I feel at some point along the way, if this keeps having some success, someone will jump on this idea too & present Haymon with some Bellator type challenge to the UFC to even prolong things out further.

There is a lot of money to be made in having a UFC setup where you could have Klitschko vs Fury in May, Santa Cruz vs Rigondeaux in June, Mayweather vs Thurman in July & GGG vs Miguel in August all year around. Big fights every month.

I think one of the hurdles is bringing in new fans. The old fans seem to be invested in the corruption of the 4 title groups far too much & actually seem more against Haymon trying to bring a one champion landscape to boxing then the insanity of having 4 world champions.

[HEND]

Boxing promotion doesn't work like that, you don't resign when you're self-employed. Haymon hasn't outhustled anyone for as long as they're still making a profit, which I'm sure they are, TR pulling out is a pipe dream. Is Haymon making a profit on PBC yet? because the figures don't stack up and reaction has been lukewarm.

Half those names you've mentioned that Haymon has don't even have any fans, guys like Lara, Dirrells, Charlos, kid undercard, Porter etc. Amir Imam is with Don King.

No one was asking for Peterson-Garcia, and Thurman-Guerrero was hardly clash of the titans. But look at how many cards they've had all you can pull out is two mediocre match-ups. You want to turn the future of boxing over to this guy?

I didn't know about Imam, but he fought on the Wilder-Stiverne and Chavez-Fonfara undercard last times and both of those events were strongly connected to Haymon. And for the other fighters, maybe you're right but tell me from TR stable who has a "lots of fans"? Wlaters and Loma haven't got yet and probably they are in a too little weightclass for the taste of the masses, Bradley was never that popular but I can give you that because he has a name by now, Mikey Garcia and Crawford are on the way to become stars but neither of them is an established star yet and Mikey's long lay off certainly didn't help him to that. So they have only 2-3 more well known guys. Oscar has one or arguably two with Matthysse.

[MrRolltide91]

Well it's short sighted to think its not good for the sport...

Seems to work out well in all the other individual sports- pga, ufc, nascar

Why can't boxing have one central organization like every other sport..

I just don't understand why people are so against this... It's not like boxing under the sanctioning body, premium TV/PPv model is great for the fans..

I hope PBC succeeds and over the next decade signs up every top guy and by 2025ish will basically be making all the fights that people wanna see.. Then there will be no excuses in making the best fights in each division...

This will take time and won't happen probably until guys like Errol spence and anthony Joshua are older, past prime fighters, but I think the 2016 and 2020 Olympians will be the first generation to come into the pro game with an actual organization instead of crap sanctioning bodies that are crooked..

How are sanctioning bodies good for boxing... They are corrupt gangster organizations... They are a racket. How else can you explain Jose suliaman dying yet his son takes his place... Lmao, if roger Goodell or any other major sports commissioner passed away or retired, they aren't getting replaced by their son..

How can boxing having one organization with structure be bad, but it's good to have the corrupt crooked sanctioning bodies and bribing promoters and no structure or cohesiveness. How is that good? That makes no sense long term and is very short sighted

Agreed......

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Get 'em Oscar. Take these shady ****ers down.

We're still waiting for Molina to be tested by the USADA.