Who is the 2nd Best Heavyweight in the World

[soul_survivor]

Gotta be Wilder cos of that WBC strap but Fury is a close 3rd.

[!! Shawn]

Tyson Fury is a joke. Why do people buy into that hype? He is a freakshow. Without his loud mouth, nobody would ever pay him any attention.

I still only remember him for uppercutting himself in the face.

[vorgaphe]

It's Tyson Fury. Leaving him out of the poll is just childish.

[techliam]

Gotta be Wilder cos of that WBC strap but Fury is a close 3rd.

How does a belt make you the 2nd best hw?

Lets take a look at that belts recent lineage

Arreola/Stiverne>Stiverne/Wilder.... LOL

Thats a very casual fan-like way of thinking there, im sorry pal

Going by actual achievements (i.e. Wins) youd probably have to go Povetkin-Fury-possibly Wilder

If i take Wilder just because of the belt, im falling for the hype the promoters want me to 'The Heavyweight Champion of the World'. But in reality, that belt (the Stiverne win) puts him at im the top 5

[Tom Cruise]

Im going Povetkin until proven otherwise.

I'd love to see Povetkin vs Wilder/Fury at some point before they took on Klitschko. Doubt either risk their position by taking the fight though, and Povetkin has huge financial backing to take either of them away to Russia

[soul_survivor]

How does a belt make you the 2nd best hw?

Lets take a look at that belts recent lineage

Arreola/Stiverne>Stiverne/Wilder.... LOL

Thats a very casual fan-like way of thinking there, im sorry pal

Going by actual achievements (i.e. Wins) youd probably have to go Povetkin-Fury-possibly Wilder

If i take Wilder just because of the belt, im falling for the hype the promoters want me to 'The Heavyweight Champion of the World'. But in reality, that belt (the Stiverne win) puts him at im the top 5

I did say it's close between Wilder and Fury.

Which one of Povetkin's wins is better than the Stiverne win for Wilder? Charr? Takam? LOL Ancient Rahman? A cruiserweight who in actuality won their bout?

The deciding factor is that Wilder is actually a champion, Povetkin is not.

Fury and Povetkin for that 3rd place may be up for debate but then Fury is better in his all round game imo. A more fluid fighter with quicker hands and better footwork. Noway is Povetkin no. 2.

[LacedUp]

I have no problem with your opinion. This will just make it harder for you to downplay Wlad's victory over Fury once that fight is over with. You may attempt a different angle by calling guys like me out, who have been downplaying Fury's abilities from the get-go, therefore asking why Wlad should get any credit if I didn't think much of Fury to begin with. To which I say, FINE. I don't defend Wlad from a "How many ATG or HOF-ers has he beat" standpoint anymore. It's pointless and tiring. It's a numbers game and it has to be at 64 total wins and running, with 18 Title defenses. There are not many Heavyweight around in the modern 2 or 3 fights per year era that are gonna get to 64 career wins. Not even in the lower divisions unless you're brought up in the Mexican circuit like Chavez Jr and Canelo.

All i'm saying is (and this is my prediction) that this will be a whitewash. Don't let tonights fight influence your thinking on what will happen against a supposedly better fighter in Fury. As dominant as Wlad was, he can't have a perfect night each and every time. But there is nothing to learn from this.

Why would i downplay his victory? Fighting and beating Fury would be one of Wlad's best wins imo. Honestly. There are not many people on Wlad's entire resume I'd be dead certain on beating Fury. There are a couple maybe, but not more than 2-3 at most. I mean, BY Jennings was a 14-0 underdog who never looked impressive in any fight ever, really. hellacious cherrypick from Wlad made to make him look good on HBO which massively backfired.

I don't care if it was a whitewash, which it won't be. As long as both men are standing, it would be competitive - you can believe that. Wlad is clearly not the same as he was previously. That is clear and it's not just from this fight. In his last fight he did a stanky leg from jab ffs.

I did say maybe it just wasn't his night. But we've been saying that a lot lately with Wlad I think.

[-PBP-]

Povetkin easily.

Dudes got this Broner syndrome. "Wlad beating Povetkin is like Wilder and Fury beating Povetkin"

[techliam]

I did say it's close between Wilder and Fury.

Which one of Povetkin's wins is better than the Stiverne win for Wilder? Charr? Takam? LOL Ancient Rahman? A cruiserweight who in actuality won their bout?

The deciding factor is that Wilder is actually a champion, Povetkin is not.

Fury and Povetkin for that 3rd place may be up for debate but then Fury is better in his all round game imo. A more fluid fighter with quicker hands and better footwork. Noway is Povetkin no. 2.

Thing is though, its not close between Fury and Wilder

Wilder literally only has his Stiverne win, who himself was only hyped up a lot because of the WBC title he held, he won the title from a rematch with Chris Arreola.... Looking at records, how can you compare him to pretty savage wins of Charr, Takam and Chagaev? Sure, Charr and Takam really don't appear to be any better than Stiverne, but Stiverne is literally the only mentionable name on Wilders resume.

I think you're falling for the promoters trick again, being the WBC titleholder doesn't necessarily mean anything at all. I've already showed you the lineage of that title.

So you need to explain the bolded assumption above. I honestly can't understand why you assume this matters

[hinode]

heavyweight should change the name to super-cruiserweight