Porter beat Usyk in the amateurs!

[Real King Kong]

those are the ban wagon boxing fans nowadays.

"oh he lost? time to go to the next undefeated guy"

is this an actual quote from Larry?

[TheBigLug]

I think he's very underrated on here, people are acting like he's some bum since he took that L. He's the real deal.

I agree.

I've always said that he has a style that might land him some huge wins in his career, if he continues to get good fights. I think top fighters can find ways to beat him, and have, but if you're not at your best then Porter isn't the guy to be in the ring with. He has a style where nobody can have an easy night against him, win or lose.

[_Rexy_]

Alot of people got beat in the Amateurs,not sure why people hold stock in it at all

THIS

I don't understand when people bring up "so and so got dropped in amateurs, so and so got dropped in sparring"

So?

[BlakBread904]

Porter was a pretty bad mofo in the amateurs. And look how he fights still. Imagine that in 9ish minute fights. It's hard to see him NOT beating a lot of cats with his energy, and activity.

I've said several times I think he'd be a better fighter now if he had a less effective style for amateur boxing and took on more of a slowed down more strategic approach, but then again while Porter isn't the #1 guy right now he's doing pretty f#cking well for himself to be among the top 5ish guys in arguably the most competitive division in boxing so idk that it's hindering him THAT f#cking much and maybe I'm just being hypercritical about it or maybe going against his style he's created for himself would have him doing less well idk.

Respect to Porter either way. Dude is not gonna make your night easy if you can beat him. And 99% of these cats out there ain't beating him to begin with. Hard to argue with operating at that level.

that's why I fk with Shawn Porter, dude is disciplined in his craft, and is a mauler in the ring. I think presents the biggest challenge to Spence in the division

[Eff Pandas]

THIS

I don't understand when people bring up "so and so got dropped in amateurs, so and so got dropped in sparring"

So?

Idk that most are making it into a big deal so much as its an interesting topic to discuss or just throw out random sh^t with x beat y as amateurs.

If you are making more of it than a trivia question or just an interesting fact or about how good guys were as amateurs when they met than maybe I'd say its weird or w/e, but to most it seems just a fun lil topic.

[_Rexy_]

Idk that most are making it into a big deal so much as its an interesting topic to discuss or just throw out random sh^t with x beat y as amateurs.

If you are making more of it than a trivia question or just an interesting fact or about how good guys were as amateurs when they met than maybe I'd say its weird or w/e, but to most it seems just a fun lil topic.

I've been noticing it a lot lately when discussing fights, people love to bring up "well, he got dropped in amateurs, he got dropped in sparring" like it matters. If it's just a factoid, cool, I love trivia like that. But it's ****** when people bring it up like it will make any difference in a pro fight a decade later.

[VatoMulatto]

In those days, with head gear and scoring based on a fencing like system, I can see this. Porter probably darted in, landed some pitty pats and jumped back out.

I'm glad amateur boxing has gne back to no head gear and hopefully there will be more emphasis on power shots and body shots.

Still, it's a curious story.

Nah, Porter fought pretty much the same way in the amateurs. He had the same gritty style.

[_Maxi]

Just randomly stumbled across this. Start listening from 9.30 onwards...I'm amazed.

Usyk is 6'3 and one of the best amateurs of recent time, he's a tremendous boxer and imo potentially a top 10 P4P fighter. Beating him at any level is a great feat.

Also:
Nonito Donaire beat James Kirkland in the amateurs
Joe Calzaghe stopped Chris Byrd in the amateurs

[sweeterscience]

It's not that he got beat, it's just that it was against Porter, a 5'6 welterweight. I don't think you realise how ridiculous that is.

That's a great find. Never heard that. I agree with you. While it may have been a long, gangly Usyk who was less physically matured than Porter, that's still pretty incredible.

Yeah, almost every contender or champ lost amateur fights to guys who never went pro or did anything big, but I think that speaks loudly to Porter's toughness and strength.

I have not seen that type of thing very often, but it happens way more in the amateur ranks than pro. I think it's probably that often really tall guys take longer for the muscle to grow into the right places and become really functional, hence why heavyweights tend to peak older. In this way, their size advantage can be not as meaningful. Not that often, but it's more common with young guys.

Still pretty amazing.

[Eff Pandas]

I've been noticing it a lot lately when discussing fights, people love to bring up "well, he got dropped in amateurs, he got dropped in sparring" like it matters. If it's just a factoid, cool, I love trivia like that. But it's ****** when people bring it up like it will make any difference in a pro fight a decade later.

Well it might be relevant in some cases. In the case of a guy getting dropped in the amateurs specifically that might say his chin is questionable or even bad.

But idk that anyone should say cuz this happened then that'll happen, but its all a piece of the puzzle.

Ultimately I think one should take into account EVERYTHING if they are truly investigating something & the only calibration I'd recommend is if something happened more recently you can probably take more away from that then you can take away from something less recently.

So if we were talking about Joshua getting dropped or hurt as an amateur for example I think we'd have to take into account that:

1)he was still learning his craft at the time

2)it was what 6-7+yrs ago now

And then decide how much does that really matter now. It for sure doesn't NOT matter, but how much does it matter?

Its a debatable topic with no real right answer beyond finding some rough estimate of the importance of something that happened under precise circumstances quite awhile ago.