Eddie Hearn and The State of British Boxing

[R_Walken]

You say that but why did Hearn go public with his (terrible) offer in the first place? He could easily have said to Framptons team during the negotiations what his stance/offer was and Framptons team would counter.

Hearn knew exactly what he was doing by putting that public offer out there. It was a cheap PR stunt designed to con casuals into thinking it was Frampton's side which was stalling negotiations. Hopefully Frampton and team arent too pissed off to carry negotiating for the fight

Not disagreeing with anything you wrote and some of what Hearns did with the cheque does come across as grandstanding .

But if Framptons team could make a offer worth more, Why don't they and if they cant make an offer then shouldn't they consider a career high payday for Frampton.

What do people on this site consider a fair negotiation for both fighters


Like I said don't live in the UK and pretty ignorant on the whole scene Im just a outsider that just want Quigg/Frampton to fight

[LacedUp]

I agree with your post Dirk. Sky could do with a bit of competition, I don't get why Hearn has to be the sole provider - Although I would say that his shows are better than the crap Warren & Maloney put on Sky before. Those were horrible horrible cards.

I will say though that the £1.5 million offer is a good offer. I believe Frampton's highest purse so far is around the £250k he got against Martinez.

I'm not sure Frampton vs Quigg is a £3million fight.

[zmm001]

How? He got consecutive career best paydays with Hearn?

Hearn consistently said his lawyers had looked at it and there was no problem leaving warren then when it became a problem it was Burns' private business and nothing to do with matchroom.

[LacedUp]

Hearn consistently said his lawyers had looked at it and there was no problem leaving warren then when it became a problem it was Burns' private business and nothing to do with matchroom.

It was never anything to do with matchroom

That was his own legal team's doing.

[Box-Office]

It was never anything to do with matchroom

That was his own legal team's doing.

It's an individual sport (Mayweather voice). So, you got to take personal responsibility. All those years in the business and Burns didn't learn? Really?

[Box-Office]

I agree with your post Dirk. Sky could do with a bit of competition, I don't get why Hearn has to be the sole provider - Although I would say that his shows are better than the crap Warren & Maloney put on Sky before. Those were horrible horrible cards.

I will say though that the £1.5 million offer is a good offer. I believe Frampton's highest purse so far is around the £250k he got against Martinez.

I'm not sure Frampton vs Quigg is a £3million fight.

Someone like McCloskey sold like 5000 tickets to his Irish fans for Amir Khan, so why not?

Who would be the competition? Hayemaker Promotions?

[Scipio2009]

Just back from another ban (thanks Boston Guy) and have missed quite a pivotal week in the landscape of British boxing. Warning I'm a long winded **** and this covers a few topics so this might take a while to read if you can be arsed. I'll try break it into sections...

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When Edward Cornelius Hearn first entered the boxing business funded by Daddy Hearn, he was a bit of a breath of fresh air. A young, handsome (no ****) cheeky chappy who looked to challenge the old guard lead by the likes of Frank Warren, Frank Maloney and Mick Hennesy.

It all started brightly for Eddie. He was making fights the fans wanted to see and was giving us unprecedented access and inside information via his interviews with Kugan Cassius on IFL TV. I for one appreciated some of the transparency and the honesty he used to show in his interviews. With the sole backing of Sky Sports, he was able to nick everyone else's talent and become the most powerful promoter in the UK game. All this culminated in the massive Froch-Groves II fight at Wembley last year which admittedly was a great event.

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Ever since then, something has changed and I believe "Fast Car" Eddie's true character has been revealed. He has become completely obsessed with "domestic dust-ups" to the point where he actually put a fight between recently KO'd Nathan Cleverly and Tony Bellew on PPV. ***ing PAY-PER-VIEW. Yes that actually happened. He clearly doesn't give a **** about boxing fans and is trying to milk casuals on this idea of British grudge matches most of which are based on fake or manufactured rivalries.

He has promised Sky another couple of PPV dates this year, arrogantly believing that everyone was going to dance to his tune.

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In the case of Amir Khan - I struggle to make excuses for Amir. I understand he has issues with the Hearn's but there is no excuse for turning down the Brook fight which is his highest purse and a world title when the other option is Chris Algieri. Juan Manuel Marquez, Tim Bradley, Miguel Cotto, even Adrien Broner I'd accept. But not #ChampionLifestyle. Some of Amir's excuses are pathetic.

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So now Kell Brook is set to face Frankie Gavin . Everyone knows that's a **** fight but Brook was never going to be fighting anyone good on such short notice (May 30th). But then Brook is going to headline a show in July where his big name opponent will be Brandon Rios apparently. I understand that he is something of a big name but he is also a guy who, like Algieri, lost every single round to Pacquaio in an embarrassing effort.

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In the case of Carl Frampton vs. Scott Quigg though, you can start to understand why people like Khan and even George Groves don't want to deal with this pompous ****. He has clearly come under heavy pressure from Sky to deliver a domestic super fight on PPV and he has become desperate.

Posing on television with a ***ing cheque in your hand alongside the dead-eyed and half-******ed Scott Quigg (who clearly doesn't really know what's going on, poor lad) was one of the funniest images of 2015 so far.

Why would Carl Frampton - a real world champion and much bigger draw - travel to Scott Quigg's hometown and fight for a flat rate? Whilst Hearn gets to keep all of the revenue for the fight from ticket and PPV sales - most of which will be down to Frampton's popularity and which will likely far exceed the £1.5million on offer. How dumb does he think Frampton is? And more importantly how thick does he think the British public are?

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Unfortunately a lot of the casual public are morons and will fall for this latest publicity stunt. Hearn has become far too big for his boots. The **** even booked Wembley months in advance arrogantly believing that everything would just fall into place for him.

At the moment I find myself torn between wanting to see all these fights plus go to a boxing event at Wembley but on the other hand, I'm pissing my pants laughing that Hearn has been told to stick it up his arse by several big names who he has tried to dictate terms to and is now sweating his bollox off at not being able to deliver on his promises to Sky

I was never a supporter of Sky giving Hearn sole control and now we're starting to see the pitfalls. He clearly needs to be taken down a peg or two.

-Kell Brook was targeting Khan, Juan Manuel Marquez, and Brandon Rios, in that order, for the big stadium fight.

Mayweather/Pacquiao aren't options, but with Khan backing out and Marquez contemplating retirement, I'm not sure who else Brook could fight at 147 for a stadium fight, even in his own backyard (Brook vs Thurman would be a heck of a fight at some point, but both guys still have other business to work through and fighting each other now would short both guys out of a ton of money). Rios comes with some HBO exposure and is seen as a tough scrappy guy who'll come to fight.

-Sky Sports, the UK TV partner for Matchroom Sport, is putting up a heck of a lot of money for boxing; you extrapolate back from the Hearn offer (covering the costs for the event, paying both fighters, the promotional company making some money, etc) and Hearn seems to be working off of at least a 4 million pound package to deliver the fight.

Simple enough, if the Matchroom offer is so terrible, where's the Cyclone/ITV offer? Have Cyclone counter with a bigger package and see what Hearn does (In interviews I've seen, Hearn has already acquiesced to the fight making the most money/sense, unless Khan-Brook from Wembley magically happens, in Belfast). At some point, both parties will hit a figure where they won't pass, ensuring that the fighters get the most money available.

Beyond that, Hearn has been pretty clear and consistent with his feelings about McGuigan being both manager and promoter of Carl Frampton. Not sure what could change those feelings, in terms of a co-promotion.

[LacedUp]

It's an individual sport (Mayweather voice). So, you got to take personal responsibility. All those years in the business and Burns didn't learn? Really?

Yes, so that would still be Burns' own fault not Eddie Hearn's. They also won a courtroom battle with Warren before.

If Ricky Burns' legal team come to Hearn with a legally ended contract, then it's not Hearn's fault.

Someone like McCloskey sold like 5000 tickets to his Irish fans for Amir Khan, so why not?

Who would be the competition? Hayemaker Promotions?

5000 tickets equate £3million? There's no doubting who's the pull in this fight. But northern ireland is a little bitty country with 1.5 million people. England is what will drive the money and I'm just not certain it's a given that both guys could make £1.5 for that fight.

Two years ago they were talking 250k each.

I'm not sure what you're talking about with regards to Hayemaker promotions? Was that a joke on me? Because then it was a massive fail.

[Box-Office]

Yes, so that would still be Burns' own fault not Eddie Hearn's. They also won a courtroom battle with Warren before.

If Ricky Burns' legal team come to Hearn with a legally ended contract, then it's not Hearn's fault.

I was basically agreeing with you.

Fighters need to look out for themselves.

5000 tickets equate £3million? There's no doubting who's the pull in this fight. But northern ireland is a little bitty country with 1.5 million people. England is what will drive the money and I'm just not certain it's a given that both guys could make £1.5 for that fight.

Two years ago they were talking 250k each.

I'm not sure what you're talking about with regards to Hayemaker promotions? Was that a joke on me? Because then it was a massive fail.

You have to factor in ROI as well, I mean they're Irish too. Plus McCloskey was a contender, wasn't good either. Frampton is a proper talent and a World Champion, so point being it would only be bigger. So, what if it is 1.5 million? Stadiums are filled in thousands not millions. Plus you got countries thrice in size than England and produce 0 talent for boxing. Not sure how relevant is country size.

"massive fail" Struck a toe? Sorry, nerve? haha


Who else in all seriousness would/should get Sky dates? Warren has his channel. Maloney is retired and Mick Henessey doesn't really have a stable besides Galahad?

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Hearn is a smug bellend. His business model is fooling casuals to fork out for **** fights. At least Warren occasionally puts his hand in his pocket and gets over the odd superstar.


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