Comments Thread For: PBC Outpaces Competition on Slow Easter Weekend

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Not all champions in the UFC draw big PPV numbers, just take a look at the numbers from last year. UFC like boxing needs the right match ups to do big numbers.

The reason boxing can't get away Monthly PPVs is the fan-base burned out a long time ago getting ****d by greedy promoters. We have almost a century of paying for biggest fights and several decades we've had to pay just to see any boxing.

Look at Arum, there's a reason he isn't doing his crappy Latin Fury's and Pinoy Powers anymore, the people stopped buying. UFC fans are just reaching their first decade but they also aren't buying every crappy PPV like a few years ago.

The same has happened to everyone, the WWE was killing it for awhile then the bottom also dropped out. They have evolved into a more fan friendly option imo.

Haymon also evolved.

If you go back to 2006 almost every year the top rating for the year has been dropping.

6/17/2006 Winky Wright vs Jermain Taylor - 3.5 million live viewers

2014 Chavez vs. Vera did about 1.4 million and that was the highest ratings for the whole year anywhere in the US for Boxing.

If Haymon didn't take this gamble I can only imagine how long before the top rating for the year didn't even break the 1 million mark.

Good post, especially about the dwindling ratings on hbo... That really puts things into perspective of where boxing is at..

[bigdunny1]

People try and spin this however they want but when you are spending 10s of millions of dollars on these cards and getting ratings similar to other events that had a quarter of the budget that's not a good business plan. PBC is losing money at a high rate. The brand is not taking off only hard core boxing fans are talking about it and watching it. NBC debut wasn't very strong. The spike TV ratings were less the a Cops rerun that aired right before it. And CBS did less ratings then Stevenson did on HBO which is in far fewer homes then CBS. Those numbers would be good on HBO because HBO pays the fighters and HBO is a paid service they don't need advertisers and if your watching it's because you paid for it. But on network TV where you need ratings for advertisers and you are paying for the fighters and paying for the time slot these ratings are just weak.

[Hougigo]

Not all champions in the UFC draw big PPV numbers, just take a look at the numbers from last year. UFC like boxing needs the right match ups to do big numbers.

The reason boxing can't get away Monthly PPVs is the fan-base burned out a long time ago getting ****d by greedy promoters. We have almost a century of paying for biggest fights and several decades we've had to pay just to see any boxing.

Look at Arum, there's a reason he isn't doing his crappy Latin Fury's and Pinoy Powers anymore, the people stopped buying. UFC fans are just reaching their first decade but they also aren't buying every crappy PPV like a few years ago.

The same has happened to everyone, the WWE was killing it for awhile then the bottom also dropped out. They have evolved into a more fan friendly option imo.

Haymon also evolved.

If you go back to 2006 almost every year the top rating for the year has been dropping.

6/17/2006 Winky Wright vs Jermain Taylor - 3.5 million live viewers

2014 Chavez vs. Vera did about 1.4 million and that was the highest ratings for the whole year anywhere in the US for Boxing.

If Haymon didn't take this gamble I can only imagine how long before the top rating for the year didn't even break the 1 million mark.

lol, the Canada UFC PPV is gonna take a worse pounding than Kim K

[Mitchell Kane]

Whats your point?

I'm not going to do your homework for you.

My point, as I stated, was that household reach doesn't mean that much...despite your attempt to show that it does.

[Mitchell Kane]

Not all champions in the UFC draw big PPV numbers, just take a look at the numbers from last year. UFC like boxing needs the right match ups to do big numbers.

The reason boxing can't get away Monthly PPVs is the fan-base burned out a long time ago getting ****d by greedy promoters. We have almost a century of paying for biggest fights and several decades we've had to pay just to see any boxing.

Look at Arum, there's a reason he isn't doing his crappy Latin Fury's and Pinoy Powers anymore, the people stopped buying. UFC fans are just reaching their first decade but they also aren't buying every crappy PPV like a few years ago.

The same has happened to everyone, the WWE was killing it for awhile then the bottom also dropped out. They have evolved into a more fan friendly option imo.

Haymon also evolved.

If you go back to 2006 almost every year the top rating for the year has been dropping.

6/17/2006 Winky Wright vs Jermain Taylor - 3.5 million live viewers

2014 Chavez vs. Vera did about 1.4 million and that was the highest ratings for the whole year anywhere in the US for Boxing.

If Haymon didn't take this gamble I can only imagine how long before the top rating for the year didn't even break the 1 million mark.

Well, it's worth noting that part of the downward trend in HBO ratings happened during the HBO/GBP partnership era, when Greenberg, with the influence of Haymon/Schaefer, was in charge of the budget at HBO.

HBO's ratings fell dramatically during this time period, eventually leading to HBO cutting their Sports and Boxing budgets, and eventually leading to Greenberg being forced out (not long after Arum took Cotto and Pacquiao over to SHO).

[mrpain81]

My point, as I stated, was that household reach doesn't mean that much...despite your attempt to show that it does.

I was comparing sports on a specific Saturday afternoon.

You're the one that brought up the viewers vs viewers for both channels.

The PBC vs. UFC was a good comparison because they were both on around the same time. When people talk PBC numbers the only other combat sport for comparison is the UFC. The UFC deal with Fox is something maybe the PBC is trying to angle for.

If you're looking at all cable channels then yes the reach doesn't mean much, but this was a specific example between two comparable sports.

[mrpain81]

Well, it's worth noting that part of the downward trend in HBO ratings happened during the HBO/GBP partnership era, when Greenberg, with the influence of Haymon/Schaefer, was in charge of the budget at HBO.

HBO's ratings fell dramatically during this time period, eventually leading to HBO cutting their Sports and Boxing budgets, and eventually leading to Greenberg being forced out (not long after Arum took Cotto and Pacquiao over to SHO).

So now it was Haymon and Golden Boy's fault that the boxing ratings started to fall? That's hilarious.

What exactly did they do to cause that? Did people read about the deal HBO got with Golden boy and stop tuning in?

The 3.5 million for Wright vs. Taylor was the last time a fight on premium television was over 2.1 million.

These are the biggest ratings from 2007 to 2011.

I'm sure you can find the recent ones easier since HBO has been sending out press releases touting their dwindling ratings.


2/16/2007 Kelly Pavlik vs Jermain Taylor - 2.1 million viewers

4/19/2008 Bernard Hopkins vs. Joe Calzaghe - 1.891 Million Total Viewers

5/06/2008 Oscar De La Hoya vs. Steve Forbes - 2.1 million live viewers

1/24/2009 - HBO WCB - Mosley-Margarito - 7pm PST - 1.9 million Total Viewers

2/21/2009 – HBO World Championship Boxing – Juan Manuel Marquez-Juan Diaz – 1.65 Million Viewers

6-13-2009 - HBO WCB - Cotto vs. Clottey - 1.68 million viewers

9/26/2009 - Vitali Klitschko vs. Chris Arreola (live) - 2.124 million viewers

6-5-2010 - HBO - World Championship Boxing - Miguel Cotto vs. Yuri Foreman - 1.6 million live viewers

04/16/11 - Berto vs. Ortiz -HBO - WCB - 1.5 Million average viewers

05/21/11 - HBO - Pascal vs. Hopkins - 1.837 million live average viewers

6/04/11 - HBO - Chavez vs. Zbik - 1,500,000 average live viewers

6/18/11 - HBO - Alvarez vs. Rhodes - 1,600,000 average live viewers

HBO-Chavez vs. Lee - 1.56 million viewers


HBO has been slashing it's boxing budget for 15 years now.

I keep hearing people say that HBO has this huge boxing budget compared to SHO which isn't the case anymore. Back in 1999-2000 the HBO budget was $100 million!! With that big of a budget they could afford to have DLH fighting on regular HBO, Trinidad vs. Whittaker on was also on regular HBO as were a lot of Lennox Lewis fights. Almost every year since then HBO has been slashing it's boxing budget, 5 years ago the HBO boxing budget was $70 million. Last year the budget was at it's lowest point probably ever at $35 million, I don't know the numbers for this year but I haven't seen any indication that the numbers would have gone up. More then likely the numbers have been slashed again for this year.

Now SHO has always been the little brother to HBO never being able to compete since they have a smaller subscription base and couldn't match the 500 pound gorilla. With HBO neglecting it's boxing SHO has seen an opportunity and is actually increased it's boxing budget, 5 years ago SHO had $20 million for Boxing. Last year they increased it to at least $28 million.

For 2013



http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing...5714--box.html

SHO got rid of MMA so that money was probably injected into the boxing budget, regardless SHO is making big moves while HBO is keeps downsizing the sport that put it on the map.

So when you see people saying that SHO can't compete with HBO because of the budgets it's simply not true, they are probably neck and neck right now but we don't know the exact figures.

2012 Boxing budgets:



http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jou...BO-boxing.aspx

The entertainment pond keeps getting bigger while boxing has stayed in the premium channel fishbowl.

Just look at Mexico, boxing was basically dead. Most the fights were on PPV or on Premium channels but since they made the move to network television the sport is among the most watched.

Boxing needed change and it's getting it, people are nitpicking the everything about it because the guy orchestrating the whole thing doesn't give interview.

[PACnPBFsuck]

I didn't recognize a single guy playing in that game, but yea it was D I

It had a lot of the guys who played in the tournament, I know I saw Stainbrook from Xavier, West team spanked the East.

[bigdunny1]

HBOs numbers have a lot of factors involved outside of boxing. 15 years ago HBO was a big fish in a small pond. You bought HBO mainly for the movies, and then Original shows and sports. Now there are numerous premium channels to get movies, Netflix came out and flipped everything on its ear and people are downloading movies. Other premium outlets are even making their own original shows. HBO is still a big fish but the dynamic has changed

[Da Machine]

I can only imagine what this forum will be like if in 2-3 years for now PBC starts taking off. Anyone with a brain knows it wont be huge from the ****ing get go. Only the haters expect that. Im just really interested in how broken these guys will be if it turns out big in the long run..