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  • DARKSEID
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    #21
    Originally posted by L33tboxingdewd
    Sort of like you did, eh, Mosley? Drill him early, and then get schooled starting about one minute thereafter, until the end of the fight?

    Even by the last 30-50 seconds of round two, Floyd started to take control.

    Pac's best chance is to pace himself, and not show his entre hand in the first quarter of the fight. Floyd is not going to break down if rattled early - he's probably the strongest, and most mentally-composed boxer in the ring (opposite outside the ring, doe). He's not going to gas out, nor is he going to succumb to pressure/getting chin-checked.

    Break the fight down by quarters - 1-3;4-6;7-9;10-12. Have a different plan for each quarter, should the prior one begin to be picked up on, and exploited by Floyd.

    Pac is not the best at "reading and reacting" on the fly - he is the type who needs to have a preconceived notion of what he is going to do, and a game plan, if you will.

    Floyd is the type who can "read and react" on the fly, so it's paramount to know this going in.

    Switch up leading with your jab, straight left, and lead right hook. And as cliche as it is - don't forget your feints (with both foot, and hand).

    Try to keep a high intensity pace, even if not throwing punches, just keep applying pressure from different angles, and counter this by lettng Floyd "walk" towards you for periods of each round.
    Pacquiao already does all that.

    Going balls to the wall from the first round, especially against mayweather is a pretty ******ed strategy.

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    • Bolopunch68
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      #22
      Originally posted by KoolAidMan
      All bias aside, what are the chances Pacquiao/Roach somehow changes their game and strategy? What if Pacs waits for Floyd for the first 1-3 rounds to see how Mayweather is going to approach the fight and then make the adjustment from that point on? By wait I mean not come out out of the gate guns blazing like he always had, but play it cool throwing fewer punches that his norm and then attack (mid rounds to the end) once Mayweather is fully engaged in the notion that he can walk Manny down?



      Is that feasible?


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      That'll be a bad strategy. Here's why, you don't let Floyd dictate the tempo once he figures you out, what more if you let him get into his rhythm early on?

      Their plans should be attack and get him respect your power and speed. Give Floyd different looks each and every round, counter his left jab to the body by throwing a right hook over the top, then throw a quick straight left before he can reset.

      In order for Manny to not get tag with straight right often? Keep moving his head and keep his left hand high all the time, and counter Floyds straight right hand with his straight left. Easier said than done, but Manny can pull it because they are almost equal as far as hands speed is concern.

      Finally, Manny should mix it up with head and body shots, take that legs by punishing the body each and every time he gets him on the ropes. Again, easier said than done, so I'm really interested on what both fighters bring on fight night.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Steve plunger
        Mosley don't know his left from his right now......I agree what you say......pace is key......keep mayweather active....use movement and angles and keep a steady pace through every round that way floyd will have to keep up with pacquiaos pace......stay of the ropes unless he can jump in jump out before floyd gets his rhythm......I see a much closer fight on the outside than most people realise because of pacquaios hand & foot speed plus angles....floyd will need to rest ...its just the way he fights ....that's when pacquaio should jump on him with a combo....floyd is vulnerable when he comes forward because he is mostly a defensive fighter and that's when pacquaio can also catch him.......a close fight which I can see manny winning based on his higher work rate .
        I like what you are saying but Mosley is somewhat correct I think in the fact that Manny must hurt Floyd early, put Floyd into a bit of a state of panic and keep him from getting his rhythm. As far as Mayweather's conditioning goes, damn he was already super fit. Could go two ways, Ariza might make him a bit better or he might just over train Floyd and cause him to go bust after shooting his wad early. It's been a while since anyone has been able to really push Floyd, IF that happens how will he react? Very interesting stuff.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Bolopunch68
          That'll be a bad strategy. Here's why, you don't let Floyd dictate the tempo once he figures you out, what more if you let him get into his rhythm early on?

          Their plans should be attack and get him respect your power and speed. Give Floyd different looks each and every round, counter his left jab to the body by throwing a right hook over the top, then throw a quick straight left before he can reset.

          In order for Manny to not get tag with straight right often? Keep moving his head and keep his left hand high all the time, and counter Floyds straight right hand with his straight left. Easier said than done, but Manny can pull it because they are almost equal as far as hands speed is concern.

          Finally, Manny should mix it up with head and body shots, take that legs by punishing the body each and every time he gets him on the ropes. Again, easier said than done, so I'm really interested on what both fighters bring on fight night.
          Totally agree and Manny has a very powerful and fast right hook. That punch hurts lots of orthodox fighters and is the punch that got Floyd into trouble against Corley.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Street
            Its going to be a gamble to try and KO Floyd early. Pac has a chin that has been tested and graded breakable. Floyd on the other hand has a chin that is solid. Mosley keeps talking about Ariza as if he is the secret weapon. Does that mean that Mosley knows something we don't? Is it enough to suspect that Floyd will take some undetectable shakes of the likes that Roach once mentioned? Mosley is sure that Ariza is the determining factor. I do too. Mayweather by KO round 9.
            If Ariza is their weapon then how in a hell that turn out with Rios and Maidana? Ariza was successful with Manny because of his willingness to undergone what Alex put him through. I'm not saying Floyd wouldn't do exactly what Alex instructed him to do. Because if that's the case, why Floyd is talking about going old school on his training regimen?

            I don't believe that Alex put anything illegal on those shakes he was giving
            Manny. He started giving him protein shakes when Manny was beginning to fight on higher weigh classes in order for him to be atleast close to those weight limits.

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              #26
              Mosley did that in round 2 then gassed out. While Manny will have more left in the tank than Mosley did that night, Manny does not need to give it his all in the first few rounds. Floyd does well against these type of fighters who do NOT know how to pace themselves and have nothing left for the remaining 6-8 rounds.

              Manny will more than likely not be doing that for several reasons. Manny will try to just win the rounds at the start of this. If Manny is successful in winning and staying in the lead, Floyd will need to engage more. Floyd engaging more will benefit Manny.

              This is not to say that Manny shouldn't drill Floyd if he has the opportunity. He should when the openings are there but not to the point where he left it all in the first few rounds and has nothing left after that.

              If you look at those fighters that did well in the first half, you notice how they looked too tired to continue doing what they did well in the first half.

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                #27
                Originally posted by sirron000
                Do you honestly believe Manny will break his nose? Didn't he have a cut in Maidana I?
                That cut from Maidana 1 is just a boo boo, compared to most I've seen from other fighters cut. Yes, I honestly do believe that Manny is capable of breaking his nose. A lot of fighters that Manny faced had their nose broken courtesy of his straight left.

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                • them_apples
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                  #28
                  lol @ the facts on this forum.

                  Pacquiao's chin breakable? tell me if Floyd would have taken that ****. Pac took it blind, and it was sent from left field. floyd would have been sleeping cold.

                  Pacquiao walked through shane and cottos punches...Floyd was wobbling all over the place and had his faced busted up.

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                  • richardt
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by KoolAidMan
                    All bias aside, what are the chances Pacquiao/Roach somehow changes their game and strategy? What if Pacs waits for Floyd for the first 1-3 rounds to see how Mayweather is going to approach the fight and then make the adjustment from that point on? By wait I mean not come out out of the gate guns blazing like he always had, but play it cool throwing fewer punches that his norm and then attack (mid rounds to the end) once Mayweather is fully engaged in the notion that he can walk Manny down?



                    Is that feasible?


                    Anyone?
                    Anytime a fighter totally changes his strategy, it can throw the other guy off which can benefit the fighter who changes up. If Pac plays the counter puncher early, it may not make for an exciting fight but it could benefit Pac. That's what makes this fight intriguing, there are potentially 4 fight scenarios and I see 2 as the most possible. But in boxing, anything can happen.
                    Last edited by richardt; 04-04-2015, 12:14 PM.

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                      #30
                      I agree he does need to win the early rounds to make floyd come forward. Just gotta counter that right hand he will be throwing it all night along with his jab wich pac is great at taking away. If he is able to do that we will have a fight on our hands wich might live up to the hype.

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