Does a win over Gonzales show just how good Loma is.

[Loque-san]

If Salido was deducted points as he should have been for the repeated low blows, he would have lost the fight...which suggests no, he didn't do much more. A fair result for that fight would have been a draw, as Loma probably didn't do quite enough to win clearly himself either. In any case, I don't think any fighter could have beaten a seasoned, veteran champ like Salido in their second pro fight, especially if we also take into account the weight advantage Salido had on the night. The result is a blot on Loma's resume for now, but in fact he can take a lot of positives from that in the long run.

If you take points away from Salido for low blows, then you must take points away from Loma for excesssive clinching as well. The fight was poorly scored. The 116-112 card was spot on. If the fight had been properly scored, Salido would have won even if he was deducted 2 or 3 points.

A draw obviously would have been a terrible decision, the split decision was awful as it is. There was only one winner.

[DannYankee]

Triangle theories . No.

[PainfromUkraine]

If you take points away from Salido for low blows, then you must take points away from Loma for excesssive clinching as well. The fight was poorly scored. The 116-112 card was spot on. If the fight had been properly scored, Salido would have won even if he was deducted 2 or 3 points.

A draw obviously would have been a terrible decision, the split decision was awful as it is. There was only one winner.

Erm...no. A lot of neutral observers like ESPN had it at 114-114. The punch stats were heavily in favour of Loma - Salido threw 205 more but landed 22 less...the cleaner, more skillful and more effective work was done by Lomachenko. It really depends on how judges like to score fights, and clearly Salido's work rate worked in his favour, he took a lot of rounds like that, but a lot of his fighting tactics were spoiling and swarming Loma, who was unwise to clinch quite a lot and not let his hands go enough.

If the fight was scored on clean, effective work, and points would have been deducted from Salido, the WORST possible result would have been at least a draw, or a Loma win.

[Accountoffline]

I am still not sold on Russell, he beat a guy whos had over 60+ fights been stopped by mediocre punchers and was almost 9yrs older than him.

And as for the Salido vs Loma argument stop it, Salido should have had his boxing license taken off him the fat ape coming at WW against a guy in only his 2nd fight.

[BOXEO _]

No, It just showed that southpaws are Jhonny Gonzalez's kryptonite like everybody knew before the fight.

[Bigg Rigg]

Russell did the work and got it done. Props to him! Vasyl whipped his ass though and would do it again. Just saying. Props to Russell though. And Jhonny dropped a big time dud last night. That was embarrassing. He got muted by the TBA Killer.

[BOXEO _]

Lomachenko's getting better every fight, hard to believe he only has 4 pro fights.

[Loque-san]

Erm...no. A lot of neutral observers like ESPN had it at 114-114. The punch stats were heavily in favour of Loma - Salido threw 205 more but landed 22 less...the cleaner, more skillful and more effective work was done by Lomachenko. It really depends on how judges like to score fights, and clearly Salido's work rate worked in his favour, he took a lot of rounds like that, but a lot of his fighting tactics were spoiling and swarming Loma, who was unwise to clinch quite a lot and not let his hands go enough.

If the fight was scored on clean, effective work, and points would have been deducted from Salido, the WORST possible result would have been at least a draw, or a Loma win.

Salido did not do anything special in that fight, but he took advantage of Loma's inactivity - who did next to nothing except clinching for ten rounds - and simply worked the body to put rounds in the bank. It was a tough style matchup for Loma, who seemed uncomfortable fighting off the back foot. Loma did land clean shots... in the last two rounds when it was too late.

Again, if you deduct points from Salido, you have to deduct points from Loma as well. This is simple really, Salido likes to fight on the inside, if you hold him everytime he gets there and prevent him from working, then you are cheating. The referee should have taken points away from both fighters.

I had Salido clearly winning the fight 116-112. We're gonna have to agree to disagree. You might be a bit biased since Loma is Ukrainian but I don't blame you, staying objective is not easy.

[sparkman0811]

Yes, don't like this mindset. Just give Russell the credit he is due. Very nice win for Russell, he has gotten much better as a result of stepping up his competition. Like some posters have said, bouncing back from that first loss makes him a more dangerous fighter. But, again, no triangle theories please.

[Derranged]

I think you're missing the point entirely. Loma does not get any credit, in any way, for what Russel has accomplished. And that, is quite frankly the beginning and the end of the point.

Of course Loma doesn't get any credit. He's saying that it turns out GRJ is better than people thought which in a way makes the win over GRJ look much better.