PBC making or losing money?

[Strategic1]

No real boxing fan actually gives a damn whether the program makes money. All we care about is the fact that we are able to watch more quality fights on television. The only ones who care about that are the Floyd Mayweather haters (and by proxy, Al Haymon) who want something to criticize and attack Mayweather (and by proxy, Al Haymon).

Anyone who says they don't like the programming offered by PBC and would prefer things go back to the way they were when we saw five or six quality fighters per year on HBO and Showtime is either lying or doesn't know s...t about boxing.

you think too micro man... I'm a boxing fan,...but I'm also a business person with a marketing background. And I'm certain there are others who understand business around here.

It's fine to analyze whether the program is making money...if it's not, it'll eventually fail. This is a huge opportunity. If it's poorly managed or marketed, you never know if boxing will have this same opportunity again..or at least for a very long time.

We want it to succeed.

[HAVISJ]

you think too micro man... I'm a boxing fan,...but I'm also a business person with a marketing background. And I'm certain there are others who understand business around here.

It's fine to analyze whether the program is making money...if it's not, it'll eventually fail. This is a huge opportunity. If it's poorly managed or marketed, you never know if boxing will have this same opportunity again..or at least for a very long time.

We want it to succeed.

You may want it to succeed but there are some who want it to fail, just because it's Haymom and he's affiliated with Mayweather.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

This is a moot point.... It's entire plan was losing money early... It's all bankrolled by private equity,,, the hope is that in 2 years, ratings will be good and PBC will land a deal similar to the ufc on fox deal, and PBC will get paid 100+ mil for TV rights, instead of buying the airtime now...
They knew going into this, that we are going to spend 100 million or so over 2 years, on a bunch of channels, get solid ratings, and hopefully have espn, spike, etc start a bidding war for TV rights much like ufc, nfl, NBA, etc....

If you understand how major corporate business works, you would know this..


It's just like when early private equity groups piled money into Facebook to keep them growing..


If he can land a lucrative TV deal in 2 years, then it's mission accomplished, but until that time, the jury is still out...

It was no secret or even part of the plan to be profitable early...

Al Haymon must truly believe he can make the fights people wanna see, and more importantly grab back some popularity that has been missing since PPv started..

If Al can deliver ratings, he will get the deal, as sports is coveted by networks as unlike a TV show, people won't dvr and usually watch live, hence sitting thru the commercials and not bypassing them, meaning networks can get big bucks for sports

[Beercules]

They hate to see us on top.

[El-blanco]

No real boxing fan actually gives a damn whether the program makes money. All we care about is the fact that we are able to watch more quality fights on television. The only ones who care about that are the Floyd Mayweather haters (and by proxy, Al Haymon) who want something to criticize and attack Mayweather (and by proxy, Al Haymon).

Anyone who says they don't like the programming offered by PBC and would prefer things go back to the way they were when we saw five or six quality fighters per year on HBO and Showtime is either lying or doesn't know s...t about boxing.

Actually the opposite is true. A real boxing fan wants it to make money so they can continue the project.

[Strategic1]

This is a mute point.... It's entire plan was losing money early... It's all bankrolled by private equity,,, the hope is that in 2 years, ratings will be good and PBC will land a deal similar to the ufc on fox deal, and PBC will get paid 100+ mil for TV rights, instead of buying the airtime now...
They knew going into this, that we are going to spend 100 million or so over 2 years, on a bunch of channels, get solid ratings, and hopefully have espn, spike, etc start a bidding war for TV rights much like ufc, nfl, NBA, etc....

If you understand how major corporate business works, you would know this..


It's just like when early private equity groups piled money into Facebook to keep them growing..


If he can land a lucrative TV deal in 2 years, then it's mission accomplished, but until that time, the jury is still out...

It was no secret or even part of the plan to be profitable early...

Al Haymon must truly believe he can make the fights people wanna see, and more importantly grab back some popularity that has been missing since PPv started..

If Al can deliver ratings, he will get the deal, as sports is coveted by networks as unlike a TV show, people won't dvr and usually watch live, hence sitting thru the commercials and not bypassing them, meaning networks can get big bucks for sports

You are right. And it's definitely early. However, we'll have a better idea of how this will turn out 6-12 months from now. We'll be able to see ratings over time, make forecasts, and evaluate how well PBC is being managed and marketed.

But yea, the networks are in it with a 2 year plan. Yes, we should all keep that in mind.

[Strategic1]

Actually the opposite is true. A real boxing fan wants it to make money so they can continue the project.

Thanks. You stated what I was trying to say BETTER.

[brickcityboxing]

This is a mute point.... It's entire plan was losing money early... It's all bankrolled by private equity,,, the hope is that in 2 years, ratings will be good and PBC will land a deal similar to the ufc on fox deal, and PBC will get paid 100+ mil for TV rights, instead of buying the airtime now...
They knew going into this, that we are going to spend 100 million or so over 2 years, on a bunch of channels, get solid ratings, and hopefully have espn, spike, etc start a bidding war for TV rights much like ufc, nfl, NBA, etc....

If you understand how major corporate business works, you would know this..


It's just like when early private equity groups piled money into Facebook to keep them growing..


If he can land a lucrative TV deal in 2 years, then it's mission accomplished, but until that time, the jury is still out...

It was no secret or even part of the plan to be profitable early...

Al Haymon must truly believe he can make the fights people wanna see, and more importantly grab back some popularity that has been missing since PPv started..

If Al can deliver ratings, he will get the deal, as sports is coveted by networks as unlike a TV show, people won't dvr and usually watch live, hence sitting thru the commercials and not bypassing them, meaning networks can get big bucks for sports

Moot point ... The word is Moot

[Barcham]

Haymon is looking at 10s of millions of dollars in losses in the first few years. Now compare that to another marginal sport in the US, hockey, where the NHL last year signed a 12 year deal in Canada with Rogers television - a CABLE network!, for $5.2 BILLION dollars and they signed a 10 year contract with NBC in the US in 2011 for 10 years at $2 BILLION and you will see where boxing stands in the overall big sports picture. And the NHL deal in Canada is small potatoes when compared to the insane deals that the NFL and MLB have in the US.

Boxing? Haymon is paying the networks to put it on television. Even curling has a better deal than that in Canada.

[Barcham]

You are right. And it's definitely early. However, we'll have a better idea of how this will turn out 6-12 months from now. We'll be able to see ratings over time, make forecasts, and evaluate how well PBC is being managed and marketed.

But yea, the networks are in it with a 2 year plan. Yes, we should all keep that in mind.

The networks make their money whether the ratings are .1 million or 100 million. It's like renting a taxi from the owner for $300 a night... he doesn't care if you make $50 bucks or $5000 driving the cab, he's made his money and he's happy. If you lose your shirt and spend more on gas than you take in as profit, you end up bringing the cab back and he rents it to someone else or drives it himself.