Comments Thread For: Roach: Pacquiao Can't Follow Floyd and Walk Into Shots

[Nay_Sayer]

Stop playing dumb like one item above is the only thing that could make or break the fight over the years. Don't brand yourself as one of those airheads who think only one fighter is to blame. Not a good look.

Ok, Mr Not a good look. How about you tell us exactly what Floyd did to kill the negotiations back in 2010 prior to the Pacquiao Clottey fight.

Go ahead, Mr. Not a good look. We're ALL ears...

[Nay_Sayer]

Here is a more intelligent summary:

Why did each fighter put up a set of obstacles?

So tell us exactly what "obstacles" Mayweather put up during the first round of negotiations back in 2009/2010?

[northstar]

This would be true if Floyd did not agree to the weight penalty clause. The only demand Floyd wanted was for both to get tested and that is what became the obstacle which it never should have been. The split was 50/50 and Manny had his demand met. And just to get specific and I will leave it at this..... it wasn't even about taking the test but rather about when he would know when they were coming. I know Floyd does and says a lot of things but one thing I am not going to fault him for is blocking this fight because it would have been done if Manny agreed to what he agreed to now. Case closed.. I'm out.

He's agreeing now because he doesn't have the same leverage as he did before (plus the time and the money is right for both of them).

Your're underestimating how difficult it is to organize a fight between two bona fide A sides. Cotto vs Alvarez is another example.

[richardt]

I see how we are not communicating. You are having a hard time trying to differentiate what a road block is. On top of this, you are trying to take the things Mayweather said in the media as him not wanting the fight. My point is and still stands that if it wasn't for Manny, the fight would have happened which is not Floyd's fault. In 2009 is when it counted the most and at this time it was not Mayweather's fault. Should have never taken more than one negotiation if Manny really wanted the fight. The "that was 2009" excuse is lame because it should have been done then so no, I am not blaming Mayweather.

The 40 million was not a road block but rather a low ball offer considering how much Manny is getting now but in the same breath, Manny said he would take less. Smart he didn't take the 40Mil and I can admit that but he walked away again without negotiating. He said 50/50 after he said he would take less than Mayweather. Both fighters have said some things through the media and to the press that was contradicting but when it came down to it, Floyd was down to make the fight. I am just glad that it could get done over all. The only thing I blame Mayweather for is not calling Bob Arum out earlier to set the record straight because dude was exposed as the biggest road block EVER. Those are facts so take it how you want it but you won't sway my thoughts.

No PPV is a road block. A roadblock is anything that a fighter does or says that goes against the fight happening. Both fighters have been down for the fight at times and not at other times. And Arum is now part of the biggest fight in a long time so every party agreed. That's the bottom line.

[richardt]

Ok, Mr Not a good look. How about you tell us exactly what Floyd did to kill the negotiations back in 2010 prior to the Pacquiao Clottey fight. Go ahead, Mr. Not a good look. We're ALL ears...

Too bad you are not bright enough to comprehend simple words that I have repeated many times in this thread about Pac taking some blame early on. Nice attempt at pulling from one moment in time and not the entire timeline and dialog of when this fight was discussed and what each fighter did to kill it. Sorry, no one is ***ing that ****** to think that the only time the fight had any obstacles was 2010. Read all of Floyd's comments about how he doesn't do charity and how Pac got JMM and Bradley problems and no PPV, etc., etc. Those are roadblocks, period! Not arguable, not up for debate, Floyd put up obstacles. Get with the damn times. Or did you forget that Pac agreed to all testing since late 2010. Just because you have been in deep freeze since 2010 does not mean the world stopped spinning just for you.

[Nay_Sayer]

Too bad you are not bright enough to comprehend simple words that I have repeated many times in this thread about Pac taking some blame early on.

How about you tell us exactly what Floyd did to kill the negotiations back in 2010 prior to the Pacquiao Clottey fight. Go ahead, Mr. Not a good look. We're ALL ears...

[richardt]

How about you tell us exactly what Floyd did to kill the negotiations back in 2010 prior to the Pacquiao Clottey fight. Go ahead, Mr. Not a good look. We're ALL ears...

What did I just say about the timeline? Go back and read slowly or have someone help you. This fight has been shot down by both fighters over a 4 year period. Next dumb question?

[TheRoger]

Wow so paquiao got KOed once by a guy who had his number and he still beat him twice. At least he has guts. Mayweather's 'defense' is mostly RUNNING. I once saw a fighter RUN like Floyd against RJJ and everyone BOOED. Yet when TBE does it it's masterful. Paquiao will walk Floyd right down and throw as many punches as possible because he knows Floyd has no power and he is not scared to get hit. He is the only guy accurate enough to hit him with his head movement. Manny is a master of hitting where the head is going to be, not where it is. If he tries to run many will still be able to hit him easlily because though he doesn't bounce much he is very accurate and can cut off the ring. I wouldn't be surprised to see him rush mayweather at the bell. One thing is for sure - he WILL get to Floyd at least once so we will finally see Floyd in real trouble and unable to RUN. WHAT A FIGHT!!!!

[GRUSTLER]

No PPV is a road block. A roadblock is anything that a fighter does or says that goes against the fight happening. Both fighters have been down for the fight at times and not at other times. And Arum is now part of the biggest fight in a long time so every party agreed. That's the bottom line.

No PPV was a low ball offer not a road block that could have been negotiated if Pacquiao would have pressed Floyd on it but not mad at him for turning it down. Let me ask you a question..... If Floyd saying he won't work with Arum was one of his road blocks..... why did Floyd tried to negotiate with Pacquiao each time? Wasn't/isn't Arum always involved? So technically Floyd saying that wasn't a road block because like you said already.....Arum is apart of it.

[GRUSTLER]

He's agreeing now because he doesn't have the same leverage as he did before (plus the time and the money is right for both of them).

Your're underestimating how difficult it is to organize a fight between two bona fide A sides. Cotto vs Alvarez is another example.

How is/was it hard to negotiate/organize between two Asides like Floyd and Manny when the first negotiations was 50/50 money split?