"Krusher" Kovalev vs RJJ@ 168-175lbs/12-12.5 Stone. Who wins?

[robertzimmerman]

Bad example. Virgil Hill was past it when Roy fought him. Be real, man. And who cares how HARD Roy could "hit". SK would not be afraid of him and hits even HARDER than Roy does. Stop overrating him. HE DIDN'T HAVE A CHIN!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD!

How is it a bad example? Yes, Hill was past his best, but it highlights the power that Roy had at 175. Roy was the only guy to knockout Hill in 57 fights, even though he finished his career at CW. Roy also knocked out Montell Griffin with a lead uppercut. Both of those guys weighed in the 180's. Roy had more than enough power to drop Kovalev.

Who cares how hard Roy could hit? What a silly thing to say. Kovalev would have cared. Roy had more speed, more variation, better reflexes, and tremendous power of his own. It would have been an extremely dangerous fight for Kovalev. And how do you know he wouldn't have been afraid of all of those attributes? We don't know. We don't know how he would have reacted if Roy had've landed some power on him. It could have fired him up and made him more aggressive, but it could also have made him back off. Roy could have made him hesitant. Roy got Ruiz's respect who was 230 pounds.

[GOD-FR33]

It's simple......

How is it a bad example? Yes, Hill was past his best, but it highlights the power that Roy had at 175. Roy was the only guy to knockout Hill in 57 fights, even though he finished his career at CW. Roy also knocked out Montell Griffin with a lead uppercut. Both of those guys weighed in the 180's. Roy had more than enough power to drop Kovalev.

Who cares how hard Roy could hit? What a silly thing to say. Kovalev would have cared. Roy had more speed, more variation, better reflexes, and tremendous power of his own. It would have been an extremely dangerous fight for Kovalev. And how do you know he wouldn't have been afraid of all of those attributes? We don't know. We don't know how he would have reacted if Roy had've landed some power on him. It could have fired him up and made him more aggressive, but it could also have made him back off. Roy could have made him hesitant. Roy got Ruiz's respect who was 230 pounds.

It's a bad example because Hill was OLD. A prime Hill beats Roy Jr in my opinion. That's just like someone trying to give James Toney credit for his TKO of Holyfield. Holyfield was OLD. A prime Holyfield KO's Toney's fat ass. I think you are focusing too much on what Roy can do and not enough on what SK can do. He is an A Level fighter. How many A Level fighters did Roy fight in his prime? And Pascal looked to be juiced to the gills against Sk but he took his punches well. His chin is solid and his power is pound for pound today. He is also tougher than Roy. Roy wasn't a tough guy just like Floyd isn't a tough guy.

[Guest]

Prime Roy.

You have to understand - there's a subforum called "Fantasy Fights", which is where stuff like this is SUPPOSED to be posted.

When I see a poll asking for who wins between Kovalev and Royston - still two active fighters - I go to vote for Kovalev wrecking the shell that's left of Royston Jones.

At no point did I think "this is a faggot playing fantasy island."

[Achille]

It's a bad example because Hill was OLD. A prime Hill beats Roy Jr in my opinion. That's just like someone trying to give James Toney credit for his TKO of Holyfield. Holyfield was OLD. A prime Holyfield KO's Toney's fat ass. I think you are focusing too much on what Roy can do and not enough on what SK can do. He is an A Level fighter. How many A Level fighters did Roy fight in his prime? And Pascal looked to be juiced to the gills against Sk but he took his punches well. His chin is solid and his power is pound for pound today. He is also tougher than Roy. Roy wasn't a tough guy just like Floyd isn't a tough guy.

If you push him to a certain point I bet he can take it to anybody. Similar to an abused dog. Roy was brought up being abused by his Dad. I would say Roy is definitely a tough guy with no fear. Similar to what he displayed in this video clip.

[jas]

Roy puts his hands down?

He would get koed

[LacedUp]

I'm not necessarily saying that Roy was fully to blame for all this but considering he was in the best financial position he really didn't fight all the best available opponents. Michalczewski didn't fight anyone of note? He defeated Virgil Hill before Roy and Michalczewski was rightfully the three belt and lineal light-heavyweight champion.

Really? Who should he have fought that he didn't? Very very few fighters have a legit claim as someone who should have fought Roy. Some guys mention McClellan, but he only fought in the same weightclass as Roy for 1 fight or something which was Benn IRRC, and then obviously didn't fight again. There was the Benn fight which could have taken place, but didn't for promotional/fight option reasons. And Benn also lost to a guy Roy had already beaten with ease.

Same thing happened with Eubank really, who anyways was content just staying in Britain and being "one of the best" - By his own admission.

Michalczewski did beat Hill and didn't he go to Germany and fight nobodies for the subsequent years whereas Roy cleaned out the division? Kind of like Stevensson/Kovalev nowdays imo. I believe he got an offer to come and fight Roy on HBO but was content being the lineal champ and live off that fighting WBO contenders.

[LacedUp]

It's a bad example because Hill was OLD. A prime Hill beats Roy Jr in my opinion. That's just like someone trying to give James Toney credit for his TKO of Holyfield. Holyfield was OLD. A prime Holyfield KO's Toney's fat ass. I think you are focusing too much on what Roy can do and not enough on what SK can do. He is an A Level fighter. How many A Level fighters did Roy fight in his prime? And Pascal looked to be juiced to the gills against Sk but he took his punches well. His chin is solid and his power is pound for pound today. He is also tougher than Roy. Roy wasn't a tough guy just like Floyd isn't a tough guy.

You obviously weren't around at the time.

[robertzimmerman]

It's a bad example because Hill was OLD. A prime Hill beats Roy Jr in my opinion. That's just like someone trying to give James Toney credit for his TKO of Holyfield. Holyfield was OLD. A prime Holyfield KO's Toney's fat ass. I think you are focusing too much on what Roy can do and not enough on what SK can do. He is an A Level fighter. How many A Level fighters did Roy fight in his prime? And Pascal looked to be juiced to the gills against Sk but he took his punches well. His chin is solid and his power is pound for pound today. He is also tougher than Roy. Roy wasn't a tough guy just like Floyd isn't a tough guy.

It's not a bad example even though Hill was faded. Dariusz M didn't knock out Hill, and nobody else did. Hill beat Tiozzo in a round just a few years after Roy had beaten him. I don't believe that an earlier version of Hill would have beaten Roy, but you're entitled to your opinion. But are you saying Hill could have taken that body shot in his prime? I don't think so. It was crippling. That shot illustrates Roy's power.

What about Griffin? Nobody else knocked out Griffin in 59 fights. Roy had great power at LHW, but he was content to bank the rounds, unless a knockout opportunity presented itself.

How many A level guys did Roy fight? How many A level guys has Kovalev fought? His biggest win to date, was against a 50 year old Hopkins.

I know what Kovalev would have brought to the table against Roy. It would have been a very dangerous fight for Roy to take. But at this stage, I don't see how Kovalev would have been favoured.

[robertzimmerman]

Really? Who should he have fought that he didn't? Very very few fighters have a legit claim as someone who should have fought Roy. Some guys mention McClellan, but he only fought in the same weightclass as Roy for 1 fight or something which was Benn IRRC, and then obviously didn't fight again. There was the Benn fight which could have taken place, but didn't for promotional/fight option reasons. And Benn also lost to a guy Roy had already beaten with ease.

Same thing happened with Eubank really, who anyways was content just staying in Britain and being "one of the best" - By his own admission.

Michalczewski did beat Hill and didn't he go to Germany and fight nobodies for the subsequent years whereas Roy cleaned out the division? Kind of like Stevensson/Kovalev nowdays imo. I believe he got an offer to come and fight Roy on HBO but was content being the lineal champ and live off that fighting WBO contenders.

Another great post.

You know your stuff.

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good fight but i think roy pays for his lack of fundamentals and gets caught

kovalev is not someone you could play games with or psych out