Why are people suddenly defending Sanctioning Bodies?

[Da Machine]

Will the PBC be the highest paying promotion when they're no longer spending investor's money?

The UFC can put on fight cards for a fraction of what it cost to put on the Thurman-Guerrero fight card.

UFC pockets about 80% of the revenue they make compared to boxing which gives about 80% of the revenue to the boxers.

If boxing got a 7 year 100m deal like the UFC got, it would trounce the current state of boxing on HBO and Showtime who dont spend anything near that combined.

[Da Machine]

Mayweather and Pacquiao alone account fore more than "half the star power in boxing", and neither one fights for the PBC.

Canelo and Cotto are stars, but secondary stars, and neither one fights for the PBC.

So you're math seems off.

Haymon has somewhere around 200 fighters. He has 30-40 of the most recognizable names in boxing to hardcore fans. If you are thinking top heavy then sure, but overall its about hald.

Canelo will be a PBC fighter someday. Count on it. Who else can he fight?

[Scipio2009]

Sorry but no.
Ring P4P

1 FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. SHO

2 WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO HBO

3 MANNY PACQUIAO HBO

4 ROMAN GONZALEZ HBO

5 GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX OFF

6 TIM BRADLEY HBO

7 JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ HBO

8 CARL FROCH FREE

9 CANELO ALVAREZ HBO

10 GENNADY GOLOVKIN HBO

since when has being on the Ring p4p list equated to starpower?

Wlad is a massive draw in Germany, but does the US fan really care to watch Klitschko? not really. Roman Gonzalez may be a brilliant fighter, but he fights at a weight that historically, has drawn no attention in the US. Heck Rigondeaux was publicly blackballed by HBO, with the network making the argument to never air another one of his fights.

Mayweather-Pacquiao is likely going to do $400m in total revenue and Chavez Jr is likely going to bring in significantly more money than Golovkin did at StubHub. Stevenson and Beterbiev are settling in as draws in Montreal, Broner might actually end up being a draw in Cincinatti and the Barclays Center is starting to be establish as a boxing hub with Danny Garcia on the bill.

You look at the Ring p4p list and how many of those guys could really sell 15,000 seats at market prices (to heck with a $10 ticket gimmick)?

maybe 5 of them.

market for market, Haymon has significantly more guys that can draw money than anyone else.

[Scipio2009]

Haymon controls 2 divisions, and most his fighters outside of those divisions are ridiculed because they don't fight anyone, since Haymon doesn't have control of those divisions.

Who controls any other division, since you want to knock Haymon's '2'?

At Heavyweight, Klitschko is the top guy, but Wilder(Haymon) has the likely hold of the American audience and Fury(Warren) and Joshua(Matchroom) hold the UK market; outside of Germany/rest of Europe, no other market really cares about the heavyweights.

The cruiserweights are basically scattered around Europe/Russia, and the light heavyweights that matter (Kovalev/Stevenson/Pascal) are basically in an eliminator tournament (thank you, WBC).

Haymon's partnership with Matchroom (who have a formal partnership with Sauerlands) basically gives his guys access to 8 of the top 10 fighters at 168.

Outside of featherweight (where Haymon's only two fighters happen to be Jhonny Gonzalez and Abner Mares, arguably the most marketable fighter at the weight) and maybe 160, depending on how Lemeiux/N'Dam shakes out, there's not another weight where any promotional outfit/network is better positioned with talent/talent relationships than Al Haymon is.

[Rath]

Some says ABC belts are useless, my questions is when did it start to become useless?

When someone say you can have my belt it is just collecting dust?

When someone took a picture of himself throwing a belt on a bin?

Whatever those boxing geniuses here say about sanctioning bodies and belts. they can not deny the fact that it is serving it's purpose.

whether they accept it or not a boxer is only a good as the title he holds.

An ABC chanpion with a record of 30 wins 10 loses is much more valuable than a boxer who holds no title with a record of 50 wins 0 loses fighting in some hotel resorts and casinos.

Some even say ABC belts are worthless but a perceived PBC belts is ok?

It is the same belt with a different name for Bart's sake

I may not have explained it in a better way but i know you get my point

[Scipio2009]

But it's weird because Haymon clearly does care about the belts and the sanctioning bodies. Peter Quillin is only fighting Andy Lee because Lee has the WBO belt (Saunders is the mandatory for the WBO and he accepted money to step aside from Haymon and a guaranteed fight against the winner. Why go through all that trouble if you don't care about the belts?). Haymon set up Kameda vs McDonnell for a ridiculous eliminator when McDonnell has one of these lesser WBA titles and Payano has the actual title. Paying sanctioning fees to the WBC for Garcia's title in a non title fight, etc.

So I'm not exactly sure what Haymon's plan is, eventually building a stable of "champions" and then create his own PBC belts? I dunno. But he clearly isn't ignoring the ABC's entirely.

All that matters to me is if he is putting on good fights. If he has good fights, cool let's do this. If not, forget about it. I don't care about how many titles there are, which ones are legit, etc. as long as there is some clarity.

Obviously things are going to be super annoying in certain divisions though, Deontay Wilder obviously isn't The heavyweight champion of the world. Peter Quillin & Jacobs aren't the best at 160, Rigondeaux & Frampton, etc. etc. etc. it's going to be annoying watching the PBC guys be called the best when clearly they're not (assuming PBC fighters aren't going to be fighting the GGG's, Rigo's, etc).

There's no need for Haymon to establish his own belts.

It's a tough ask, but the plan seems to be pretty simple:

-have the sports fans make the association of top-flight boxing with the 'PBC' brand.
-put the actual fighters, and their stories, at the forefront, instead of the belts or even the organization

As long as the belts add to the fighter's stories (ie Quillin vs Lee, Deontay Wilder), he'll mention them; if they don't add anything to the story, he won't (ie Thurman vs Guerrero).

Haymon has most of the talent, and his objective is likely to make the talent that he doesn't have seem like afterthoughts to his prospective audience.

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The UFC comparisons are incorrect. The UFC actively recruits the best fighters in the world.

PBC would be more like the "WEC" or "Affliction" model; an organization that signs the 10th and 7th best fighters and pretends they're the best in the world hoping their audience doesn't notice. The best guys would still be fighting on big PPVs or overseas. Could you honestly imagine Floyd or Wlad walking in to generic PBC themesong without their cornermen and having their belts hidden and replaced by the "Al Haymon Cup Trophy".

PBC would get Haymon's own 2nd tier roster with that 90 year old announcer applauding them for "coming out tonight and trying".

[Bigg Rigg]

Haymon has copied Glory kickboxing on spikes whole set up, might as well have your own titles like Glory does too. ****, have them even fight with PBC Logos on the gloves too the way Glory does. Lol

[Da Machine]

The UFC comparisons are incorrect. The UFC actively recruits the best fighters in the world.

PBC would be more like the "WEC" or "Affliction" model; an organization that signs the 10th and 7th best fighters and pretends they're the best in the world hoping their audience doesn't notice. The best guys would still be fighting on big PPVs or overseas. Could you honestly imagine Floyd or Wlad walking in to generic PBC themesong without their cornermen and having their belts hidden and replaced by the "Al Haymon Cup Trophy".

PBC would get Haymon's own 2nd tier roster with that 90 year old announcer applauding them for "coming out tonight and trying".

PBC has by far the biggest conglomeration of fighters and overall talent. What other company, manger, adviser, or promoter even comes close??

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PBC has by far the biggest conglomeration of fighters and overall talent. What other company, manger, adviser, or promoter even comes close??

Your question doesn't make any sense, none of the others are trying to set up a gameshow/pro wrestling style league. If you scroll through a list of high profile fights coming up; Mayweather-Pacquaio, Kovalev-Pascal, Klitschko-Jennings, Matthysse-Provodnikov, etc etc etc, none of them are with the same promoter. Main Events, K2, Banner Promotions, Mayweather Promotions, InterBox, Gary Shaw, Top Rank, etc.

An organization just having its own guys fight each for a proprietary title other could have the largest talent pool of any promotion and still completely suck.

Do you know why there are so many alphabet belts to begin with? Back when there was only one, it was pretty obvious that for the sake of "marketability" they weren't giving title shots to fighters from places with smaller or less spendy fanbases. So organizations claiming to give fairer representation to Mexico, the UK/Ger, etc invented their own titles. They're all pretty global now so that's no longer the case but it's why they exist.

In the unlikely event that Haymon really did achieve UFC status and bought out all of his competitors and turned them into feeders, you would just see a few more alphabet belts pop up around the world. Not everyone would be OK with boxing revolving around US network television ratings. It's cyclical.