Tyson Fury has a much better chin than Wladimir Klitschko

[PainfromUkraine]

A guy that uppercuts himself and has to be told by a referee how to throw a jab = "more naturally skilled and talented" than a 10 year dominant world-class champion who has one of the most textbook and powerful jabs, straights, and left hooks of all time. Seems legit.

'Heart' is not the willingness to be reckless and fight inside. Heart is dealing with extreme adversity and coming back from hopeless situations. Fury is the better brawler and maybe more natural 'fighter', but as a boxer it is simply incomparable.

Wlad has fought a lot better opponents and been dropped by real heavyweights with power, and come back. Fury's chin has never really been tested, he hasn't fought a single fighter with great knockout power.

The occasions where Wlad was knocked down all came in just a handful of fights, namely 3 in the Peter fight, 4 in the Sanders fight, 2 in the Brewster fights. Wlad has never failed to rise from a knockdown. That's heart in my book.

No-one says Wlad has a great chin, but he simply wouldn't be champ for this long if he had the level of glass as some try to say. A lot of his issues that led to his losses were exhaustion, and to say Fury has a better chin from the pathetic opposition he has faced so far for the most part is just ridiculous.

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

A guy that uppercuts himself and has to be told by a referee how to throw a jab = "more naturally skilled and talented" than a 10 year dominant world-class champion who has one of the most textbook and powerful jabs, straights, and left hooks of all time. Seems legit.

'Heart' is not the willingness to be reckless and fight inside. Heart is dealing with extreme adversity and coming back from hopeless situations. Fury is the better brawler and maybe more natural 'fighter', but as a boxer it is simply incomparable.

Wlad has fought a lot better opponents and been dropped by real heavyweights with power, and come back. Fury's chin has never really been tested, he hasn't fought a single fighter with great knockout power.

The occasions where Wlad was knocked down all came in just a handful of fights, namely 3 in the Peter fight, 4 in the Sanders fight, 2 in the Brewster fights. Wlad has never failed to rise from a knockdown. That's heart in my book.

No-one says Wlad has a great chin, but he simply wouldn't be champ for this long if he had the level of glass as some try to say. A lot of his issues that led to his losses were exhaustion, and to say Fury has a better chin from the pathetic opposition he has faced so far for the most part is just ridiculous.

Let's put things like that : Wladimir Klitschko is more skilled than Fury. But Fury is more talented due to his broader skillset and slicker movements.

Fury also has the height and reach advantage ( a non-negligible one).

[Showtime..]

And Mike Tyson hits harder than me. Anything else obvious?

[PainfromUkraine]

Let's put things like that : Wladimir Klitschko is more skilled than Fury. But Fury is more talented due to his broader skillset and slicker movements.

Fury also has the height and reach advantage ( a non-negligible one).

That doesn't constitute 'talent' IMO - being able to do more things but worse does not mean he has talent, he is just the more varied and perhaps more adaptable fighter. Probably because he doesn't have one standard gameplan, he mixes it up. That's all well and good, but against someone like Wlad you won't be allowed to do whatever you want to...this isn't someone 10 inches shorter, unskilled and slow as molasses like the Hammers of Fury's resume.

Yes, the height and reach advantage, although in my opinion won't play too much of a difference, at least gives the fight a different dynamic. At least Fury does have that advantage which can't be argued.

[Spray_resistant]

He KO'd iron chinned Steve Cunningham(whose never been KO'd before or since) Kevin Johnson, Derek Chisora 2x(who Wlad ducked) etc.
He was supposed to fight David Haye but Haye pulled out of the fight 2x by faking injuries.
He performed much better against Johnson and Chisora than Vitali did.
He can string together fast combinations and throws from many angles, very active hard body puncher(he broke up Hammer's ribs forcing him to quit).
His stamina is fantastic for a HW. Throws 70/80 punches a round without a problem. Could easily fight a 15 round fight.
He's far more loose than Wlad who fights like a stiff robot. Under trainer Peter Fury his footwork and defense have improve tremendously to the point that he is nearly unhittable now.
He's one of the only HWs in boxing history who can fight both orthodox and southpaw at world level with equal efficiency
His punching power is also very underrated. He has a 75% KO and Johnson said Fury hit harder than Vitali.

As Wlad's N.1 mandatory he's gunning for his opportunity to take the titles away from him. Hopefully he doesn't avoid Fury for a 3rd time but i think he will.

So Wlad has a soft chin because he was put down before in fights but USS has an iron chin because his fights have never been stopped while he tastes the canvass in nearly every fight he is in against an opponent with even modest power?

[IntentionalButt]

The people who stunned & dropped Fury are of much lower caliber than even the guys that stopped WK early in his career.

[beez721]

The people who stunned & dropped Fury are of much lower caliber than even the guys that stopped WK early in his career.

end of thread right here. wlads knockdowns have either come from late round fatigue or from heavy handed punchers while fury has been dropped early by light hitters. its just ridiculous to think fury does anything better than wlad including taking a punch. fury is a descent fighter with a big heart. wlad is a great fighter with a big heart. no comparison at this point whatsoever

[gmc_rfc_06]

I've always been of the 'Wlad's opposition level is not good' belief, but compared to Fury, Wlad's resume is great.

Getting knocked down by the likes of Sam Peter and Sanders (you know, guys with huge power) compared to getting knocked down by feather fist guys like Pajkic and Cunningham.

Also as were talking about early career stuff, Fury was outboxed and needed a robbery to get a win against John McDermott...

[KnockoutNed]

end of thread right here. wlads knockdowns have either come from late round fatigue or from heavy handed punchers while fury has been dropped early by light hitters. its just ridiculous to think fury does anything better than wlad including taking a punch. fury is a descent fighter with a big heart. wlad is a great fighter with a big heart. no comparison at this point whatsoever

Most of the times Wlad's been dropped were early in fights.
Yes sometimes he went down from a combination of being rocked and tired but him getting tired is not an excuse for him not being able to stay on his feet. His poor stamina is just another weakness on top of him having a very weak chin.
We can even look at the opposition Klitschko gets dropped and KO'd by.
Ross Purrity was a bum who finished with a 31-20 record and only has a 50% KO was getting easily beaten by just about everybody who was decent.
That's a guy that Fury would beat easily and he wouldn't gas out like Wlad.
Then we have the mythical Corrie Sanders whose name increasingly grows in legend with each passing year.
Even a notoriously glass chinned Hasim Rahman took all of Sanders' hardest punches for several rounds and came back and KO'd him. Sanders was a weak chinned one trick pony who basically could only fight for 4 rounds. Despite fighting solely against trialhorses, journeymen and bums, Sanders only has a 67% KO. The only world class fighter Sanders ever KO'd was Wlad. Sam Peter never KO'd a top 25 fighter in his entire career.

You can talk about a guy like Cunningham being featherfisted but he was the only man to stop the very durable Marco Huck and he dropped big HW Amir Mansour. The shot that he caught Fury with was clearly the best shot he ever landed clean in his entire career. It was a hell of shot but Fury got up and then beat up and KO'd Cunningham.

Apart from the chin argument(for which there is no evidence that Wlad has the better chin but an argument that he has a worse one) I can't agree with this second point you make.

Do you really believe Klitschko has:
better stamina/workrate
bodypunching
switch hitting
in fighting
footwork
mobility
handspeed
punch variation etc compared to Fury? You would be just deluding yourself because it clearly is not the case. I would go as far to say the highly vaunted jab the Wlad possesses is not what it once was. He paws with it and stiff arms far more than he actually snaps the jab out. Against a fighter of equal reach in Pulev his jab was virtually useless. Against Fury who has a significantly longer reach and can switch southpaw that jab will be useless.

[KnockoutNed]

Most of Klitschko's success relies on his ability to clinch his opponent. He clinches nearly as much as he boxes nowadays. He physically won't be able to clinch the bigger man and Fury won't let him. If Wlad tries hugging to take a breather, he's going to be taking hard bodyshots and uppercuts for his troubles.

I have a hard time seeing Wlad doing well anywhere the fight goes.