Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach: Pacquiao Makes Too Many Mistakes

[Real Talk85]

at the very least, you seemed FAIR. I respect what you're saying because you can see that and you are able to see both sides...

I can see the YIN and YANG of it likewise and it can pan towards extremes of PAC dominating or even KOing Mayweather and can definitely see Mayweather dominating Pac and even KOing Pacquiao likewise!

And so feeling my way towards this, I am now in between but leaning towards Pacquiao just a tad because of their ages and their relative power and attributes left. But it is still in Mayweather's edge to beat Pacquiao...

Within the realm of open possibilities...like in real fight and in the ring.

Thanks for expressing these.

That's what gets me, I can't see this fight being very even at all. It's going to be domination by one or the other, or at least that's how I see it and I have Floyd as the favorite but the guy "is" old, so you have that to deal with. Honestly I just can't gauge this accurately, they both do what they do very well and have the ability to take over so it comes down to, can Manny get around Floyds ring control and can Floyd overcome a hailstorm of punches?

You want to know what really makes me give the edge to Floyd? Look at his first fight with Morales, the fights that came after Manny beat him because he was stronger than him, Morales boxed better in all three fights but Manny simply beat him up. But in that first fight when Manny and Morales were physically equal and Morales could hurt him, he shut him down completely and Morales is slower than Mayweather by lightyears and Floyd boxes much better as well. I don't see Manny beating this, but I do see how he could win...if that makes since to you at all.

[SplitSecond]

pacquiao is stubborn, likes to force things, that's his main problem

it also makes him dangerous though unless you can spark him, he'll just get more furious

[big_james10]

Two more months of this! Damn! By the time the fight actually takes place, every boxing trainer, every fighter, every promoter and everybody who has ever looked at a pair of boxing gloves will have been quoted in a website blog post about this fight. Not to mention the fact that we will have to hear Freddie Roach say the same thing at least 30 more times before the fight.

It is going to be a long two months!

[hhs661]

Seriously. Someone needs to get a memo to Golovkin that if he picks Mayweather that 3/4ths of his online support will turn on him

lmao. imagine that. the avis and sigs would be deleted in a ny minute

[fabie]

That's what gets me, I can't see this fight being very even at all. It's going to be domination by one or the other, or at least that's how I see it and I have Floyd as the favorite but the guy "is" old, so you have that to deal with. Honestly I just can't gauge this accurately, they both do what they do very well and have the ability to take over so it comes down to, can Manny get around Floyds ring control and can Floyd overcome a hailstorm of punches?

You want to know what really makes me give the edge to Floyd? Look at his first fight with Morales, the fights that came after Manny beat him because he was stronger than him, Morales boxed better in all three fights but Manny simply beat him up. But in that first fight when Manny and Morales were physically equal and Morales could hurt him, he shut him down completely and Morales is slower than Mayweather by lightyears and Floyd boxes much better as well. I don't see Manny beating this, but I do see how he could win...if that makes since to you at all.

I really do understand your cerebral discourse on this...as a tai chi instructor now (former practitioner also of Jeet Kune Do and Kali/Escrima) - I do not just dissect boxing from rational and logic.

It makes sense...in that light, I concur with your sentiments.

However, what sways me on the other side (Pacquiao) is also his bravado that can overcome anything and has done that. So yes, Mayweather is super-efficient, disciplined and a wizard in counter-punching and defensive fighting but the intangibles have to count also.

Alluding to the cliche' that Tyson popularizes, if Mayweather gets hit all of these wonderful planning goes awry and the floodgates would open and potentially get KOed by Pacquiao. It is very real and not just within the realm of the possibility but of probability also.

My biggest argument in case are Mayweather's fight against Cotto and the last two against Maidana. Though Pacquiao hardly resembles both of these fighters, Pacquiao is miles faster and more nimble and can follow up with his machine-gun-like combinations coming from different angles.

Another one is of age.

No, it's not just a puncher's chance if you will but those two opponents of Mayweather were able to hit and hurt Mayweather while admirably keeping his composure and still winning and staying put within his non-committal but efficient retaliations via effective defensive fighting.

Mayweather's age accentuate's that "hittability" factor and that would double against Pacquiao. Pacquiao also is determined and though relatively eased-off on his gas pedal to be more of boxer than his kamikaze style of boxing of old, he is now venturing to his last leg of his career if not his last fight of his professional career. HE WILL BRING IT.

Sure Pacquiao isn't the mugger that Cotto and Maidana, not even half but his relentless style and knack towards hitting his opponents with intent and mean-ness CAN DETER Mayweather's pot-shotting and safe-style of fighting.

Mayweather does not take risk...ok, that's not fair but most of the time he wouldn't dare go toe-to-toe (except for that fight against Mosley wherein he stood within the phone booth and dared him the whole fight...he didn't run). But that is more due to his advancing age now more so than his choice.

But say 5 years ago, Mayweather would have dominated Pacquiao though both are in their primes. And Pacquiao seemingly is fresher to me and had more gas in the tank, confirming the latest reports of Freddie Roach reflecting the identical sentiment.

But I like discussing boxing without the usual treatment of the other with juvenile antics and insults. I love boxing. And at the very least again, you're honest.

[Scipio2009]

In other words it will take the #2 p4p fighter in the world to expose him? Has it come to the point where we sh-it all over him until he loses to Ward then we say " I told you so"? Unreal..

not neccesarily; it'll take someone who can punch him back to expose him.

Andre Ward, in the opinion of many, is clearly an example of 'hell on Earth' for Team Golovkin, but that's not the end of it.

If Golovkin ever goes up to super middleweight, he's basically gonna have trouble with everyone in the top 10, from Ward on down (Anthony Dirrell and Mikkel Kessler, imo, may not have enough to hang).

Ward schools him, Froch toughs him, Groves boxes his ears off, and Abraham punches like a mule (Chavez Jr, James DeGale, and Andre Dirrell aren't slouches either).

Team Golovkin seems to understand this; which kind of explains how they're steering him to another nothing fight, against another middleweight fringe contender, for June. People will continue to dog Golovkin until he actually fights someone with a chance to fight back.

[Scipio2009]

wait... don't people make fun of abel sanchez on nsb???

yes they do, largely since he started spouted about the only middleweight fighters who are 'barely' better than Golovkin are 'Sugar' Ray Robinson, Marvin Hagler and Bernard Hopkins, before Golovkin has really even fought anyone.

still doesn't discredit the boxing analysis, especially as basic as it is.

[JulianQ]

True, but it seems he keep getting away with it except that Marquez fight.

Let see Floyd capitalizes on the too many Pac's mistakes.

Let's not forget that Marquez got to land that perfect counterpunch only after roughly 40 rounds of hotly contested boxing. Marquez (who is a master counter puncher) got to know Pacquiao's timing and movement better than any other fighter because they fought so many rounds. And it took him roughly 40 rounds!!!

[Reloaded]

True, but it seems he keep getting away with it except that Marquez fight.

Let see Floyd capitalizes on the too many Pac's mistakes.

Thats exactly what you will see , wishful thinking wont help you at all in the real world .

[rayrobinsontbe]

Not at all man, I'm just saying Abel Sanchez can't open his mouth when his fighter is very flawed, and has not been tested by an elite fighter as of yet, Murray, rosado ect. lesving yourself open to land your own power punch is going to last but so long.