Comments Thread For: Marquez Warns Pacquiao To Avoid Jose Luis Castillo Fate

[The Big Dunn]

My main point in fact, is that perhaps due to the aura surrounding Mayweather's undefeated status mid-career & beyond, he did indeed enjoy favoritism against underdogs Castillio and Judah, respectively. If anything, it would be more pronounced now. Obviously, the man is a talented fighter, and I can only point to those two instances of favoritism. My original post on the subject was that Pacquiao will have to beat Mayweather decisively in order to win a decision. If anyone is likely to enjoy favoritism in this fight, I believe it's Mayweather. Your incessant tendency towards parity, compels you to suggest that Pacquiao can gain favoritism over Mayweather in a close fight. Though I suspect even you don't truly believe that.

But why would a non vegas house fighter have that aura back then? I pointed out instances where favoritism from the judges worked against Mayweather, including the Canelo fight where he has the same stature he does now, to refute your point because I do not believe what you posted to be true.

In the Castillo fight, if there was any gift giving to floyd, it was solely because he was with Arum. That is not the case anymore. In the zab fight, you cited the missed KD. that didn't change the outcome at all. was that really favoritism?

SO yes, I think if any favortisim it would go to the Arum promoted fighter.

[Brassangel]

Mayweather controls more than the terms of the fights. For the last 5-6 years, he's met privately with his opponents to engage in the REAL negotiations. Mainly that no one hurts each other, enjoys a massive payday, and just lets Floyd win.

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But why would a non vegas house fighter have that aura back then? I pointed out instances where favoritism from the judges worked against Mayweather, including the Canelo fight where he has the same stature he does now, to refute your point because I do not believe what you posted to be true.

In the Castillo fight, if there was any gift giving to floyd, it was solely because he was with Arum. That is not the case anymore. In the zab fight, you cited the missed KD. that didn't change the outcome at all. was that really favoritism?

SO yes, I think if any favortisim it would go to the Arum promoted fighter.

I see now that you are basing your theory of favoritism on a fighter being promoted by Arum. I am basing it on the fighter himself, and his popularity. Canelo got the draw vote from one judge because of his huge popularity. He's not promoted by Arum, so your theory doesn't apply. Oscar was in rehab during that fight, so his popularity likely waned; hence favoritism resting on Canelo alone.

Manny enjoys tremendous popularity, as does Mayweather, so I can see your point that either man can enjoy some favoritism. However, Mayweather is a huge headliner in Vegas, making that town many millions of dollars. Considering he has fought there exclusively for the past nine years, I'd say he has the edge in any potential favoritism.

As for Zab, if he had been awarded the KD, who knows the impact it would have had on his confidence, Mayweather's, or the judges' scoring?

[STREET CLEANER]

Marquez should lend him Heredia so he can train him.

Marquez is banking if Pac win his loss to Floyd wouldn't look so bad

[The Big Dunn]

I see now that you are basing your theory of favoritism on a fighter being promoted by Arum. I am basing it on the fighter himself, and his popularity. Canelo got the draw vote from one judge because of his huge popularity. He's not promoted by Arum, so your theory doesn't apply. Oscar was in rehab during that fight, so his popularity likely waned; hence favoritism resting on Canelo alone.

Manny enjoys tremendous popularity, as does Mayweather, so I can see your point that either man can enjoy some favoritism. However, Mayweather is a huge headliner in Vegas, making that town many millions of dollars. Considering he has fought there exclusively for the past nine years, I'd say he has the edge in any potential favoritism.

As for Zab, if he had been awarded the KD, who knows the impact it would have had on his confidence, Mayweather's, or the judges' scoring?

NO, I am only talking about floyd/Castillo and basing favoritism in the Floyd/Castillo fight on Arum given where Floyd was in his career. I also pointed out the Leonard/Hagler fight as another example of Bob's fighter getting favoritism.

Bob Arum has staged many more fights in Vegas. Yes, Floyd is the Vegas house fighter but Manny has also fought extensively in Vegas.

Dude, come on man. That was a flash, no damage KD. It had no bearing on the fight. On the judges card there would be 1 more point for zab on each card, no more or less.

My point is there need not be any premature excuses made for why Floyd will win or why Manny will lose.

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NO, I am only talking about floyd/Castillo and basing favoritism in the Floyd/Castillo fight on Arum given where Floyd was in his career. I also pointed out the Leonard/Hagler fight as another example of Bob's fighter getting favoritism.

Bob Arum has staged many more fights in Vegas. Yes, Floyd is the Vegas house fighter but Manny has also fought extensively in Vegas.

Dude, come on man. That was a flash, no damage KD. It had no bearing on the fight. On the judges card there would be 1 more point for zab on each card, no more or less.

My point is there need not be any premature excuses made for why Floyd will win or why Manny will lose.

Ok, we have differing views, although I don't remember you mentioning Leonard vs Hagler. It was Canelo vs Mayweather. But what I wanted to express with the Judah fight, is the potential psychological impact of a KD. It would have been the first in Floyd's career if the ref had called it. A KD is a bummer to any fighter. Judah would have likely been as inspired if he had been awarded the KD, as he was conversely bummed that he wasn't. It could have been a huge turning point in the fight.

You forgot to say, "Or vice versa" I guess that's where your propensity towards parity ends.

[HarvardBlue]

It's funny Marquez thinks the guy he was robbed against should worry about getting robbed by the only guy he thought beat him fair and square.

[Arshad221]

Pacquiao is not a sloppy off balance puncher like you claim. He has the biggest thighs and calves in boxing. Its his superb footwork that keeps him on balance and allows him to throw proper punches I.e. Punching all the way through his target, and then getting out of dodge before his opponent counters.

Go watch the Bradley 1 fight on YouTube. Bradley is naturally a bigger guy than pacquiao. He was fighting at 152 in the amateurs. Bradley was supposed to be an excellent counter puncher, and have athletic skills like mayweather. He was very fast and used distance very well. Pacquiao was actually timing his punches and aiming where he knew bradleys head would be after trying to dodge mannys straight left. Bradley would lean his head back and to the right and duck it down and mannys fist would meet him at that exact spot everytime. Manny was very accurate in that fight. He could not miss with that left hand and Bradley has a very similar style to floyds at times, and he was fighting like Floyd alot during the first pacquiao fight.

Manny has a very underated defense. Again the first Bradley fight is a great example of pacquiao using a really good guard and defensive plan. Bradley was barely hitting him with anything the whole fight, and the ones that did land didn't have any effect on pacquiao. Pacquiao outlanded Bradley 2 to 1, even though Bradley threw many more punches. Bradley could not penetrate pacquiaos air tight defense. Pacquiao ahas some great moves. He would hit Bradley with a right to the body, and then duck under bradleys right hands and come with an overhead right or a big left to the body while keeping his chin guarded with the other hand. Pacquiao is very smart in the ring, and the only guy to outhink pacquiao in the ring I the last 10 years was Erik Morales who only beat him by one round on all the scorecards, and then got thoroughly dominated by pacquiao in both rematches, in great fights where morales was putting up the best fight of his life in the 3rd fight, ultimately succumbing to the power and speed in the later rounds, and getting knocked down and out for the first times in his career. Pacquiao wasn't allowed to wear his Reyes gloves for the first Morales fight, and said it was because of his Reyes gloves he didn't win the first one. Pacquiao gets to wear Reyes against Floyd. Hes in for a long night. Pacquiao got this fairly easily. There might be tines Floyd might trouble Manny a little bit, because so much is oj the line. But trust me the last thing Floyd wants to do is make it a dogfight with pacquiao.

Why do you write such long replies?

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Why do you write such long replies?

It's like a novella!

[The Big Dunn]

Ok, we have differing views, although I don't remember you mentioning Leonard vs Hagler. It was Canelo vs Mayweather. But what I wanted to express with the Judah fight, is the potential psychological impact of a KD. It would have been the first in Floyd's career if the ref had called it. A KD is a bummer to any fighter. Judah would have likely been as inspired if he had been awarded the KD, as he was conversely bummed that he wasn't. It could have been a huge turning point in the fight.

You forgot to say, "Or vice versa" I guess that's where your propensity towards parity ends.

Just because the ref didn't call it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Floyd reacted as if he'd been knocked down and picked the pace up. That's why the fight was so lopsided after that.

But we can agree to disagree on this. Besides, we won't know until after we see the fight and hear the decision (assuming no ko/tko) if we have a problem with it.