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  • HeroBando
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    #91
    Originally posted by The Big Dunn
    My guess, is so there is some form of testing in the fight.

    You and others just want to talk about Pascal and not whyu DUva left testing out in the 1st place. This isn't a chicken and eggt thing here-one clearly cam e first.

    If you think Pascal looks bad-how does DUva look? you keep saying well, she doesn't believe in testing. You are ok with that (despite this day and age) yet kill Pascal for actually HAVING a testing protocol he uses.

    You keep trying to get to C without saying A and B or count to 4 without 2 and 3.

    Kathy Duva sent over a contract with no testing in it. Pascal signed it. pascal then asked for testing. He said he'd pay for the WADA. Kathy says, no make it VADA. Pascal refuses. Kathy defends herself in media by saying its her choice and maybe pascal doesn't want VADA because its cheaper and better.

    Where is the first problem?
    1st problem is demanding testing after contracts signed. Second, demanding testing but only under an agency Pascal has a long term arrangement with. Seems like Jean has something to hide.

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    • Beater_of_ass
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      #92
      Originally posted by The Big Dunn
      My guess, is so there is some form of testing in the fight.

      You and others just want to talk about Pascal and not whyu DUva left testing out in the 1st place. This isn't a chicken and eggt thing here-one clearly cam e first.

      If you think Pascal looks bad-how does DUva look? you keep saying well, she doesn't believe in testing. You are ok with that (despite this day and age) yet kill Pascal for actually HAVING a testing protocol he uses.

      You keep trying to get to C without saying A and B or count to 4 without 2 and 3.

      Kathy Duva sent over a contract with no testing in it. Pascal signed it. pascal then asked for testing. He said he'd pay for the WADA. Kathy says, no make it VADA. Pascal refuses. Kathy defends herself in media by saying its her choice and maybe pascal doesn't want VADA because its cheaper and better.

      Where is the first problem?
      The problem is signing a contract without testing in it. Getting hustled, bamboozled, hoodwinked... whatever you want to call it, is only one persons fault for falling for it. Who HONESTLY doesn't read a contract or have their lawyers looking over it after it is sent?

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      • Muh Du-rag
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        #93
        Originally posted by The Big Dunn
        My guess, is so there is some form of testing in the fight.

        You and others just want to talk about Pascal and not whyu DUva left testing out in the 1st place. This isn't a chicken and eggt thing here-one clearly cam e first.

        If you think Pascal looks bad-how does DUva look? you keep saying well, she doesn't believe in testing. You are ok with that (despite this day and age) yet kill Pascal for actually HAVING a testing protocol he uses.

        You keep trying to get to C without saying A and B or count to 4 without 2 and 3.

        Kathy Duva sent over a contract with no testing in it. Pascal signed it. pascal then asked for testing. He said he'd pay for the WADA. Kathy says, no make it VADA. Pascal refuses. Kathy defends herself in media by saying its her choice and maybe pascal doesn't want VADA because its cheaper and better.

        Where is the first problem?
        Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
        If they're so concerned about "doing it right" then why can't they dig into their pockets and pay for it themselves?

        "We don't care but we do care"
        Convoluted babbling.

        Just come out and reveal you motivations, you just want to see Kovalev beat, whether the opponent will be cheating or not.

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        • Foreign Soil
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          #94
          Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
          If they're so concerned about "doing it right" then why can't they dig into their pockets and pay for it themselves?

          "We don't care but we do care"
          Now you are hung up in typical circular dislogic mode. Not wasting my time with that crap.

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          • The Big Dunn
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            #95
            Originally posted by Beater_of_ass
            So what... he signed it without reading. Whatever excuse you want to use, it's still his fault for signing.
            ok, so its Pascal's fault for signing. So there would be no testing. SInce that's the case, why does Kathy ask for VADA once Pascal asks for testing?

            Had she said, no on those grounds, fine we have no debate. But she claimed dominion over choosing testing protocol. Yet she abdicated that choice.

            In football terms, she deferred to the second half, her opponent choose to kick in the 1st half, she then choose kick in the 2nd half, then tried to cover up her error.

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              #96
              Duva & kovalev could've just done a Hopkins and stick that middle finger to pascal's face for making out of the contract demands and it would be just fine...instead they called pascal's bluff and are willing to do vada testing. For some reason though some idiots here would rather point the blame finger on Duva.

              Why would Duva have kovalev take vada testing if pascal wouldn't? Kovalev will take vada and pascal, who trains with memo, will take any testing he wants...where's the fairness in that?

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                #97
                Originally posted by Muh Du-rag
                Convoluted babbling.

                Just come out and reveal you motivations, you just want to see Kovalev beat, whether the opponent will be cheating or not.
                Is Kovalev is so concerned about Pascal cheating then why doesn't he offer to pay for VADA?

                Pascal can pay for his testing.

                Then everyone wins surely?

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by HeroBando
                  1st problem is demanding testing after contracts signed. Second, demanding testing but only under an agency Pascal has a long term arrangement with. Seems like Jean has something to hide.
                  this is where we disagree. the first problem is sending over a contract without any testing in it. You think this was done over principles-I think it was being done over money-specifically her not wanting to spend it.

                  We can agree wot disagree. I'll just say this.

                  60 posts ago Freedom pointed out how Duva could've pulled Pascal's skirt up by saying I'll pay for both sides to test for VADA. Then if Pascal says no she has him. Yet she didn't do that.

                  Tells me she is being cheap and trying to make it about principles instead.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
                    Is Kovalev is so concerned about Pascal cheating then why doesn't he offer to pay for VADA?

                    Pascal can pay for his testing.

                    Then everyone wins surely?
                    Pascal offered to pay first time round if if I'm not mistaken?

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                    • Beater_of_ass
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                      #100
                      Originally posted by The Big Dunn
                      ok, so its Pascal's fault for signing. So there would be no testing. SInce that's the case, why does Kathy ask for VADA once Pascal asks for testing?

                      Had she said, no on those grounds, fine we have no debate. But she claimed dominion over choosing testing protocol. Yet she abdicated that choice.

                      In football terms, she deferred to the second half, her opponent choose to kick in the 1st half, she then choose kick in the 2nd half, then tried to cover up her error.
                      The contract was the end of the game, final score Kovalev to finish your analogy. Game 2 is the fight itself.

                      Pascal had no right to ask for testing once the fight was signed, Kathy could have said **** you, you're dumb. Instead, you're treating her kindness as... I'm not sure what exactly, guilt?

                      She had no reason to even entertain the idea of testing and yet, she was 100% fine to MODIFY the contract under who did the testing. So treated it like a negotiation which is what it should have been and HANDLED before Pascal signed the contract.

                      The only issue I'm having is why can't Pascal, who is asking for the testing, accept any version of testing? Maybe Kovalev or Duva are diva's and don't want to let Pascal choose something that shouldn't be an issue. Either way, if you ask for testing and then say "but only from here" there is only one person who should look guilty. And all Pascal did by turning it down was look foolish because though he offered to pay for it, he wanted to pay for the more expensive, less strict testing.

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