Official Floyd Mayweather- Manny Pacquiao Postfight aftermath discussion
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No, because when Pacman does it he is being a master boxer showing his ring IQ with veteran tactics. What gets me is the people who are on here going nuts about how bad clinching is are always on the nuts of brawlers who clinch more than anybody usually.Comment
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Would be nice if "plenty" included these 3.Comment
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Here is Floyd with what he called "a messed up rotator cuff (left shoulder)". I guess you are going to call Floyd out for his BS, right Floyd fans?
Floyd can elbow with messed up shoulder and elevate above shoulder
Later in the fight (round 11), Floyd can throw 3 consecutive punches with a messed up "rotator cuff injury"
Floyd can lift his arms over his messed up shoulder while holding them belts
Koncz didn't know Manny was injured when he filled the form out. Manny didn't know he was injured until Koncz told him at the post fight presser when he saw Manny grabbing his biceps instead of the shoulder. Freddie didn't know Manny was hurt either, he kept telling him to throw combinations and never asked him if the shoulder was hurting during the fight.
Would be nice if "plenty" included these 3.
Freddie said to throw combinations. True. BUT Floyd's corner said the same and Floyd did the same even in the late rounds (see above gifs) against Castillo. Floyd said he had a torn messed up shoulder but still could do whatever he wanted to late in the fight.
Manny had surgery. Where? Torn rotator cuff injury.Comment
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Koncz admitted to incorrectly filling out the form.
Freddie said to throw combinations. True. BUT Floyd's corner said the same and Floyd did the same even in the late rounds (see above gifs) against Castillo. Floyd said he had a torn messed up shoulder but still could do whatever he wanted to late in the fight.
Manny had surgery. Where? Torn rotator cuff injury.
Floyd's corner also asked him if the shoulder was still hurting, something Freddie nor anyone else in his corner did. HBO mentioned Floyd's injury several times, they didn't mention it one time in Manny's case. HBO reps have said they didn't know about an injury to Manny.
So Manny, the people at his network, his adviser and his trainer acted as if they were not part of the, quoting you, "plenty who knew about the injury prior to the fight."
Knowing this, why would anyone believe Manny's injury to be real, even given what the Dr. hired by Bob said after the fact?Last edited by The Big Dunn; 06-23-2015, 12:14 PM.Comment
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He wouldn't have made that mistake if Manny was really hurt. I guess Manny nor anyone on Manny's Team read the form before submitting it.
Floyd's corner also asked him if the shoulder was still hurting, something Freddie nor anyone else in his corner did. HBO mentioned Floyd's injury several times, they didn't mention it one time in Manny's case. HBO reps have said they didn't know about an injury to Manny.
So Manny, the people at his network, his adviser and his trainer acted as if they were not part of the, quoting you, "plenty who knew about the injury prior to the fight."
Knowing this, why would anyone believe Manny's injury to be real, even given what the Dr. hired by Bob said after the fact?
People were aware of the injury BEFORE the fight. So your statements do NOT correlate to what was said BEFORE the fight.
Manny's corner said that they did discuss the injury but remember that its a known injury. So there is just so much you can discuss.
You Floyd fans had little to go on but yet you used it whenever the discussion came up as to why Floyd had a poor performance against Castillo. Only Floyd's self-prognosis. No MRIs. No doctors. No documents. Not much of anything yet for 13+ years, it was used as the reason. Now Manny's doctor, sparring partners, even the commission said that they were aware BEFORE the fight. Aware of what? The injury to the right shoulder that you Floyd fans ignore .......Comment
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Again, Manny had the surgery. So not sure what you are talking about.
People were aware of the injury BEFORE the fight. So your statements do NOT correlate to what was said BEFORE the fight.
Manny's corner said that they did discuss the injury but remember that its a known injury. So there is just so much you can discuss.
You Floyd fans had little to go on but yet you used it whenever the discussion came up as to why Floyd had a poor performance against Castillo. Only Floyd's self-prognosis. No MRIs. No doctors. No documents. Not much of anything yet for 13+ years, it was used as the reason. Now Manny's doctor, sparring partners, even the commission said that they were aware BEFORE the fight. Aware of what? The injury to the right shoulder that you Floyd fans ignore .......
People, just not Manny, HBO reps, Koncz and Freddie Roach.
No they did not, don't lie.
We are ignoring it the same way Manny, Koncz, HBO reps and Freddie Roach did. The question is why didn't they know about this injury until 90 mins before the fight?
Frankly, that looks like Manny and his team are trying to cheat and kudos to NSAC for not allowing him to cheat. Maybe next time, Manny will fill the form out honestly, instead of allowing someone else to and he signing it.
Then again, Bob said Manny was 100% BEFORE the fight, so you should be ok with him not getting a shot.
Maybe Manny hurt it practicing taking selfies in the dressing room?Last edited by The Big Dunn; 06-23-2015, 12:56 PM.Comment
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He also got stitches in Jan 2012 when they were not needed.
People, just not Manny, HBO reps, Koncz and Freddie Roach.
No they did not, don't lie.
We are ignoring it the same way Manny, Koncz, HBO reps and Freddie Roach did. The question is why didn't they know about this injury until 90 mins before the fight?
Frankly, that looks like Manny and his team are trying to cheat and kudos to NSAC for not allowing him to cheat. Maybe next time, Manny will fill the form out honestly, instead of allowing someone else to and he signing it.
Then again, Bob said Manny was 100% BEFORE the fight, so you should be ok with him not getting a shot.
Maybe Manny hurt it practicing taking selfies in the dressing room?
They went into the fight with an injury. They either would say, it's too much pain that I can't fight or that they can fight on with the injury. They took option number 2. Not hard to understand even for a Floyd fan. Oh wait, that is what Floyd did in the Castillo fight and that is all that had to be said. Again, no MRIs, no doctor, no documents. Nothing.
Why did Floyd fight if he said that his shoulder was messed up BEFORE the fight?Comment
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Oh Dr Dunn, please show us all your evidence that the surgery was not required.
They went into the fight with an injury. They either would say, it's too much pain that I can't fight or that they can fight on with the injury. They took option number 2. Not hard to understand even for a Floyd fan. Oh wait, that is what Floyd did in the Castillo fight and that is all that had to be said. Again, no MRIs, no doctor, no documents. Nothing.
Why did Floyd fight if he said that his shoulder was messed up BEFORE the fight?
Bob said Manny was 100% going into the fight, which refutes anything you say about an injury before the fight.
Why would I believe Manny, someone that lies to his wife repeatedly and violates their wedding vows? The man even lied when he signed the form that Koncz filled out.
Floyd and Manny are not equal. Whether any of us believed Floyd in 2003 regarding Castillo has no bearing on if you believe Manny in 2015.
Manny is a known liar that has gotten unnecessary medical procedures from a dr hired by his promoter before. As usual its his actions that make him suspect.Comment
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Manny's primary physician didn't refer him for surgery, his promoter hired a doctor to evaluate him. His primary physician was another one of the people that didn't know about the injury prior to the fight. Don't you find that weird?
Bob said Manny was 100% going into the fight, which refutes anything you say about an injury before the fight.
Why would I believe Manny, someone that lies to his wife repeatedly and violates their wedding vows? The man even lied when he signed the form that Koncz filled out.
Floyd and Manny are not equal. Whether any of us believed Floyd in 2003 regarding Castillo has no bearing on if you believe Manny in 2015.
Manny is a known liar that has gotten unnecessary medical procedures from a dr hired by his promoter before. As usual its his actions that make him suspect.
Nice try ..... not really.
ElAttrache said that Pacquiao was able to get through the 12 rounds against Mayweather because he "modulated his approach. He moderated what he did with his right hand. His punch count was less than it has been. He did alter the way he fought to get through the fight with the injury. He is in pain."
ElAttrache is a well-known sports surgeon who has operated on Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Zack Greinke and New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, as well as boxers such as former heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko and former welterweight titlist Andre Berto.
Oh, so believing Floyd has no bearing? Funny stuff coming from a Floyd fan. You Floyd fans never asked to see MRIs, documents, doctor's interviews before. Why the change?Comment
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