Official Floyd Mayweather- Manny Pacquiao Postfight aftermath discussion

[Strategic1]

Yeah I thought he was getting stopped. He was breaking down bad and Mayweather was in a zone after the second round or so. He won the third and then Judah landed that clean left at the start of the fourth but Mayweather dominated from that point onward. The issue is that even when he comes forward he's still defensively responsible. So throwing more may stop him from countering but it also wears you down as you miss. And as soon as you're done missing, he fires to your body. That was a very intelligent performance by Mayweather and a good gameplan.

Jas just mentioned Zab's possible stamina issues.. That may have played a factor.

With PAC, stamina I don't think will be an issue. Of course, every fighter tires a bit as the fight goes on. But we'll see how your theory plays out against PAC. Surely, Floyd will make PAC miss more than other fighters. At the same time, no one has shut down PAC's offense completely. So we'll see .

If Floyd stands his ground or comes forward May 2nd, it'll be interesting to see how the fight plays out. We'll have to watch Floyd's legs. I think Roach's theory is party true.. But Floyd does definitely move well enough still. But I think there'll be more in the pocket exchanges in this fight than expected. And body shots may play a factor.

[IMDAZED]

Jas just mentioned Zab's possible stamina issues.. That may have played a factor.

With PAC, stamina I don't think will be an issue. Of course, every fighter tires a bit as the fight goes on. But we'll see how your theory plays out against PAC. Surely, Floyd will make PAC miss more than other fighters. At the same time, no one has shut down PAC's offense completely. So we'll see .

If Floyd stands his ground or comes forward May 2nd, it'll be interesting to see how the fight plays out. We'll have to watch Floyd's legs. I think Roach's theory is party true.. But Floyd does definitely move well enough still. But I think there'll be more in the pocket exchanges in this fight than expected. And body shots may play a factor.

Zab has mental stamina issues, not physical ones. He's scored enough late KO's as champ at 140, and even in his rematch against Spinks to win the undisputed welter crown, to show he remains strong late. He even hurt Garcia late. So it's lazy analysis to say "oh, he has stamina issues." Nah. You've got to be able to pressure him and break him down which is what Baldomir, Mayweather and Cotto did.

[ELPacman]

Lol, but Judah's always been a mental mess. Even if he had the capabilities to win, he falls apart in every fight. He lost to Baldomir...

[billeau2]

Judah didn't just stand there, he got backed up. Mayweather is fairly strong and he understands the geometry of the ring. Judah did fight back but most of his offerings missed as Mayweather came forward, slipped and blocked behind his guard. And all the while, Mayweather continually worked his body. And he probably would've stopped him if not for the low blow.

Very true with one caveat: For the last five years or so everyone knows that Zab is a professional gatekeeper. You better be on your toes and the first rounds can be dangerous, but Zab never dissapoints and will inevitably fade. Mayweather knew this. Mayweather certainly did what he should have, and he did so skillfully, but me thinks Zab fades never the less.

Zab will always get fights and runs because he is the quinesential professional opponent, vis a vis gatekeeper.

[IMDAZED]

Very true with one caveat: For the last five years or so everyone knows that Zab is a professional gatekeeper. You better be on your toes and the first rounds can be dangerous, but Zab never dissapoints and will inevitably fade. Mayweather knew this. Mayweather certainly did what he should have, and he did so skillfully, but me thinks Zab fades never the less.

Zab will always get fights and runs because he is the quinesential professional opponent, vis a vis gatekeeper.

He didn't fade against Garcia so it's not physical stamina issues. And he definitely wasn't a gatekeeper when Mayweather fought him. But no question that he's washed up now.

[Strategic1]

We all know Zab is hot headed. But I think stamina plays an issue when opponents pressure him. He becomes defensive, eats punches, then it drains his energy.

Why would he let these guys take control of the fight without much resistance? He simply just can't take it to the next gear.

[IMDAZED]

We all know Zab is hot headed. But I think stamina plays an issue when opponents pressure him. He becomes defensive, eats punches, then it drains his energy.

Why would he let these guys take control of the fight without much resistance? He simply just can't take it to the next gear.

Well yeah, eating punches will drain your energy. Stating the obvious there. And you're stating the obvious when you say stamina is an issue when opponents pressure him. These are issues for every fighter if the opponent is able to successfully pressure and land punches. It's how Margarito made his living. Trinidad. Chavez. Etc etc. This isn't something exclusive to Zab.

[SkillspayBills]

Yeah I thought he was getting stopped. He was breaking down bad and Mayweather was in a zone after the second round or so. He won the third and then Judah landed that clean left at the start of the fourth but Mayweather dominated from that point onward. The issue is that even when he comes forward he's still defensively responsible. So throwing more may stop him from countering but it also wears you down as you miss. And as soon as you're done missing, he fires to your body. That was a very intelligent performance by Mayweather and a good gameplan.

It's different man. It shocks people that guys with high punch output ALWAYS gas or their output significantly lowers against Floyd. It's just different in the ring than it looks from the outside.

[IMDAZED]

It's different man. It shocks people that guys with high punch output ALWAYS gas or their output significantly lowers against Floyd. It's just different in the ring than it looks from the outside.

True. Castillo was the one fighter who maintained his output but he's probably the best LW of that era and Mayweather fought him in his first fight at 135 moving up. Risky proposition.

[jas]

Lol, but Judah's always been a mental mess. Even if he had the capabilities to win, he falls apart in every fight. He lost to Baldomir...

Yea he's a relAtively mentally weak fighter. Always has been