Is Boxing the only Sport that has not Improved over the Years?

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  • RSBonos
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    #141
    Originally posted by Tom Cruise
    I think the talent pool has decreased massively over the decades and that has led a decline in modern day boxing.
    boxrec data shows otherwise, but I can see that being the case for the US talent.

    Anyway, this is a YAWN topic. Oh great, a few douchebags disrespecting current boxers to feed their 'student of the sport' elitist attitude.

    Any fighters past 20+ years get a pass on every lowlight, it's hilarious.

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    • JasonBoxing
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      #142
      Originally posted by D4thincarnation
      Try and judge like for like

      Is Mayweather/Pacquiao better than Whitaker/Chavez?


      But just to make sure, you think boxing has evolved all the way and then suddenly stopped in the 90s and now is going backwards?
      Very debatable and you know it. But we can't pick and choose again. WE HAVE GOT to pick the entire elite+first teir for accurate comparisons.

      So Ronaldo/Messi BUT ALSO Aguero/Costa/ etc etc vs
      Henry/Ronaldinho/Zidane/Ronaldo/Rivaldo etc etc

      Not just the top two but overall and you can see that CLEARLY the top 25 footballers of today is inferior to the top 25 of the late 1990's and early 2000's. Now the TOP 2? Ok that's debatable. Edge to today. But you can't do that.



      As for boxing?
      You don't just pick MAY/PAC but THE TOP 25 OF TODAY VS THE TOP 25 OF THE 90'S.

      So May/Pac/Ward/Kovalev/Wlad/Cotto/ etc etc vs
      Whitaker/Chavez/Jones/Toney/Lewis/Holyfield/Oscar/Tito etc etc

      You don't just pick May/Pac.

      That's picking and choosing. That's like me picking Ali only and saying OK SEE ALI is>than everyone today so 60's is greater than today. You don't do that.
      You pick everything.

      And yes.............Looking at the top 25 fighters of the 90's........they are clearly superior to the top 25 of 2004-2014.


      Maybe the top 2(May/Pac) is similar to Whitaker/Chavez/Jones...........but the top 25? Yes they have clearly regressed.


      Can Wlad beat Lewis? Maybe. Lewis is still favorite
      But can Povetkin(third best) beat the third best of the 90's? Tyson from the Ruddock fights? I doubt it.

      Can David Haye beat Rid**** Bowe?
      Can Kubrat Pulev beat Prime Ray Mercer or Ike?

      Can Ward beat Toney
      Can GGG beat Prime Hopkins?

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      • JasonBoxing
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        #143
        Actually I don't even know if Pac/May can beat Whitaker......It would be very close.

        I definitely know that Oscar/Tito would utterly destroy Canelo/Lara.

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        • D4thincarnation
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          #144
          Originally posted by JasonBoxing
          Very debatable and you know it. But we can't pick and choose again. WE HAVE GOT to pick the entire elite+first teir for accurate comparisons.

          So Ronaldo/Messi BUT ALSO Aguero/Costa/ etc etc vs
          Henry/Ronaldinho/Zidane/Ronaldo/Rivaldo etc etc

          Not just the top two but overall and you can see that CLEARLY the top 25 footballers of today is inferior to the top 25 of the late 1990's and early 2000's. Now the TOP 2? Ok that's debatable. Edge to today. But you can't do that.



          As for boxing?
          You don't just pick MAY/PAC but THE TOP 25 OF TODAY VS THE TOP 25 OF THE 90'S.

          So May/Pac/Ward/Kovalev/Wlad/Cotto/ etc etc vs
          Whitaker/Chavez/Jones/Toney/Lewis/Holyfield/Oscar/Tito etc etc

          You don't just pick May/Pac.

          That's picking and choosing. That's like me picking Ali only and saying OK SEE ALI is>than everyone today so 60's is greater than today. You don't do that.
          You pick everything.

          And yes.............Looking at the top 25 fighters of the 90's........they are clearly superior to the top 25 of 2004-2014.


          Maybe the top 2(May/Pac) is similar to Whitaker/Chavez/Jones...........but the top 25? Yes they have clearly regressed.


          Can Wlad beat Lewis? Maybe. Lewis is still favorite
          But can Povetkin(third best) beat the third best of the 90's? Tyson from the Ruddock fights? I doubt it.

          Can David Haye beat Rid**** Bowe?
          Can Kubrat Pulev beat Prime Ray Mercer or Ike?

          Can Ward beat Toney
          Can GGG beat Prime Hopkins?

          Here are the Ring's top 10 of the 1990


          Julio Cesar Chavez
          Pernell Whitaker
          Michael Nunn
          Antonio Esparragoza
          Meldrick Taylor
          Evander Holyfield
          Mike Tyson
          Raul Perez
          Myung-Woo Yuh
          Khaosai Galaxy


          And here is the Ring's top 10 today

          Floyd Mayweather Jr.
          Wladimir Klitschko
          Manny Pacquiao
          Roman Gonzalez
          Guillermo Rigondeaux
          Tim Bradley
          Juan Manuel Marquez
          Carl Froch
          Canelo Alvarez
          Gennady Golovkin



          And this is not just about the 90s and now it about the whole of boxing and the progress it has made.

          And even if you disagree on the skill level, should you disagree on tactical side of the game or the physical.

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          • Elroy1
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            #145
            Originally posted by JasonBoxing
            Actually I don't even know if Pac/May can beat Whitaker......It would be very close.

            I definitely know that Oscar/Tito would utterly destroy Canelo/Lara.


            You can't be serious!

            Total troll!

            And I even like Whitaker!

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