Comments Thread For: Santa Cruz: If It Was My Call, I'd Shut Rigondeaux Up!

[joseph5620]

Of course I have not seen the contract, have you? That argument works both ways, bruv. You not seeing the contract doesn't refute what I am saying either. Moreover, there has been a plethora of circumstantial evidence from boxers and reports of haymon effectively blocking fights (see quillin vacating).

Why wouldn't he sign with him? Haymon's roster is significantly larger than GBP and TR and his fighters receive generous compensation. LSC receives close to 7 figures every fight to fight sparring partners and bums.

I am not making excuses for LSC. I am just pointing out the fact that these fighters are under oppressive contracts.

I'm not making claims on what the contract entails. You are. So the burden of proof is on you.

So far I have seen absolutely no evidence that Haymon legally has the power to block Santa Cruz from fighting Rigondeaux. Advising the fighter to do something and forcing the fighter are two completely different things.

[Mr. Miyagi]

I'm not making claims on what the contract entails. You are. So the burden of proof is on you.

So far I have seen absolutely no evidence that Haymon legally has the power to block Santa Cruz from fighting Rigondeaux. Advising the fighter to do something and forcing the fighter are two completely different things.

You are making claims. You've said in multiple posts that fighters have the "last say." Please show me your proof that LSC has the "last say" as to whom he fights. Please cite to the Federal Rules of Evidence with correct bluebook format in your response.

Also, here's an interview where Bob Arum states he can "block" any fight:

[otrocubiche]

Rigo again, really?
Stfu chicken little
everybody knows you are afraid to fight him, you know that everybody knows that you are afraid to fight him, just live your happy chicken life without mentioning rigo's name.

[SkillspayBills]

You are making claims. You've said in multiple posts that fighters have the "last say." Please show me your proof that LSC has the "last say" as to whom he fights. Please cite to the Federal Rules of Evidence with correct bluebook format in your response.

Also, here's an interview where Bob Arum states he can "block" any fight:

Just a note. Don't ever use Arum as your source to make a claim. Ever.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Just a note. Don't ever use Arum as your source to make a claim. Ever.

That's ******. What's wrong with Bob Arum? I'd rather listen to what a harvard law educated man has to say than anyone else. He's an insider and has been a prominent boxing figure for decades.

Your, or anyone else's mistrust, isn't enough. There's no reason for him to disparage al haymon, especially given the context of the interview.

[Rath]

I will give this as a Pac take the test logic here.

LSC accuses Haymon of blocking the Rigo fight.

If Haymon is not guilty, let him come out and say "No I did not" .

How about that Floyd fans, if he is not guilty he should take the "No I did not" announcement or that raises su****ion that he really did block the Rigo fight.

To all Floyd fans what say you?

[Mr. Miyagi]

Fighters have a right to sign with a manager of their choice. They aren't forced. A manager can't prevent a fight from happening unless the fighter allows it.

Fighters have the final say when it comes to who they fight. If Santa Cruz wanted this fight Haymon could not stop it. He doesn't work for Haymon. Who do you think gets the biggest portion of the checks?

There are no two ways about that.

You're not making any claims about the contract doe.

No burden of proof when it's you who are making claims.

No two ways about it doe

[ManAnimalX]

Well said.

Santa Cruz is making excuses and didn't want to fight Rigondeaux. Edwin Rodriguez's comment "I ask for Andre ward on my 1st fight with Al Haymon and got it.some fighters choose to be protected!" proves that fighters can demand the fights they want while under contract with Haymon.

Hypothetically speaking, if Santa Cruz felt Haymon had too much control of his career by refusing fights, he could have left Haymon and resigned with Golden Boy. Lucas Matthysse chose to end his relationship with Haymon and resigned with Golden Boy with no issues. Cruz could have done the same thing. Andre Direll left Haymon when he signed with SMS Promotions and returned when things didn't work out. Haymon is not holding anybody hostage.

:ANYWORD: Lots of Intelligent boxing fans on this site, nice. and I agree 100%
Santa's got his boxing career in "Cruz" control, the behavior of a man who fears losing and of course Haymon doesn't do interviews, makes the perfect cover he might of thought. He knows he won't win but still he should desire the challenge, its a learning experience, makes a fighter better, along with respect and honor, as a warrior who stepped up.

[Mr. Miyagi]

[QUOTE=joseph5620;15380098][QUOTE=baxinguy;15380024]You are making claims. You've said in multiple posts that fighters have the "last say." Please show me your proof that LSC has the "last say" as to whom he fights. Please cite to the Federal Rules of Evidence with correct bluebook format in your response.

Also, here's an interview where Bob Arum states he can "block" any fight:

Bob Arum is a promoter not a manager. There's a big difference between the two. That's your first mistake. They are not comparable.

Second, managers work for and are hired by their clients. Not the other way around. That's not only common sense but a fact. If you not aware of that you don't know much about business.

Third, I never said anything about contracts. You did. Throughout this thread you have continuously made claims that any fighter who signs with Haymon signs a contract that allows Haymon to block any fight he wants.


Either show proof of these contracts or stop lying about it as if it's a fact.

Santa Cruz didnt want to fight Rigondeaux and nobody forced him to make that decision.Deal with it.

Bob was talking about Al Haymon's ability to block fights. Not [Bob Arum's] ability. Did you even watch?

I never made a comparison between managers and promoters. You've been talking about that and arguing with yourself. I know what managers "are supposed to do," but Al Haymon isn't a prototypical manager. You clearly cannot reconcile the concept of freedom of contract and what *you* think a manger does.

lmao I'm done with you.

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=baxinguy;15380108][QUOTE=joseph5620;15380098]

You are making claims. You've said in multiple posts that fighters have the "last say." Please show me your proof that LSC has the "last say" as to whom he fights. Please cite to the Federal Rules of Evidence with correct bluebook format in your response.
Bob was talking about Al Haymon's ability to block fights. Not [Bob Arum's] ability. Did you even watch?

I never made a comparison between managers and promoters. You've been talking about that and arguing with yourself. I know what managers "are supposed to do," but Al Haymon isn't a prototypical manager. You clearly cannot reconcile the concept of freedom of contract and what *you* think a manger does.

lmao I'm done with you.

No I didn't watch the Arum video. Using Arum as a validation of truth is comical.