When did it become alright for fighters to duck each other.

[jas]

Ray Robinson ducked burley

[Mayabang]

When you start looking like one

[Outwest Exp 355]

People toss the word duck around too loosely. Nowadays people would say Sonny Liston was ducking Ali when Ali was calling him out at a young age. Hell Ali followed Liston half way across the country calling him out to his face.

[shadow-boxer]

It became a common practice because fighters, managers and promoters realized they can make MILLIONS by building up a fighter, making him a staple name in the boxing world, and then let him fight sub-par competition all the while keeping a fighter's record intact(Undefeated) and "appealable" to casual fans whom are the majority of the people who buy PPV's.

We have all heard it before again and again, boxing is sport but it is also a business. It is unfortunate that fans do not always get the fights they would like to see, but at the end of the day a fan's opinion of a fighter is just that, an opinion.

What Al Haymon has done with his stable of fighters is very smart. He takes unknown fighters, builds their records slowly with so-so competition so the fighter has a good record(on paper). Then when the fighter is popular and known in the boxing world, he continues putting the fighter against low-level competition to keep the fighter looking strong, and capable. Once the fighter has enough stardom, he puts that fighter in as Free main events on Showtime or HBO, or co-mains of Mayweather fights. In order to attract more buyers.

A good example of these type of fighters is Amir Khan and Danny Garcia as well as Deontay Wilder. All 3 of these fighters have been called cowards, cherry-pickers, in the past. Yet all 3 remain big names in boxing.

Haymon built his fighters up using Golden Boy as a platform, then when they achieved the stardom and name-power. He pulled the plug and started his own show.

You missed his point (hidden agenda). He was waiting for you to say that while ducking was as old as the sport itself, it became the norm because of Mayweather. He was the epitome of modern ducking. Unless he is an idiot or young and don't really knew the history of the sport.

[Marvellous1]

You missed his point (hidden agenda). He was waiting for you to say that while ducking was as old as the sport itself, it became the norm because of Mayweather. He was the epitome of modern ducking. Unless he is an idiot or young and don't really knew the history of the sport.

I didn't miss the agenda. Just showing that some of us have been watching and studying the sport for a long time. I lived through Ol Fish Eyes' (Frank Warren's) style of matching and promoting over here (UK) and seen a few before him pull some shenanigans. It's nothing new. Along came the internet........

[Ham Porter]

He ducked Hearns for years after the 1st fight and Duran after No Mas until they slowed down.

LMAO @ Duran being in the position for anyone to avoid post-New Orleans.

Stick to battling P*ctards, because your grasp on boxing history is pitiful.

[mike1010011]

You missed his point (hidden agenda). He was waiting for you to say that while ducking was as old as the sport itself, it became the norm because of Mayweather. He was the epitome of modern ducking. Unless he is an idiot or young and don't really knew the history of the sport.

I don't have a hidden agenda. I think it was pretty clear since the beginning,what this thread was about. If I wanted to make a thread about mayweather ducking,I would have done do,but I didn't. This thread is about ducking in the sport in general,from the past,to the present,and even into the future. If you personally think that mayweather is the biggest duck in history,then that's your opinion,but this thread is about the whole picture,not just one boxer.

[mike1010011]

I didn't miss the agenda. Just showing that some of us have been watching and studying the sport for a long time. I lived through Ol Fish Eyes' (Frank Warren's) style of matching and promoting over here (UK) and seen a few before him pull some shenanigans. It's nothing new. Along came the internet........

Thank you for the input,and I really appreciate knowledge that is deeper than mine. I watched boxing as a casual up until 2002,when Oscar delahoya fought Fernando Vargas,so compared to most people on this forum,I'm still a relatively new fan. I actually like hearing from people that have been watching this sport,far longer than I have,because they can give the kind of background info,that looking up a fight on YouTube can't.

[ModernTalking]

When you start looking like one

I knew I've seen that lip somewhere before.

[mikinoki]

In recent years,its seems that fighters are becoming more and more creative,when it comes to excuses for not fighting another fighter that would pose a challenge. We've heard them all.

different promoters
purse splits
opponent lacks fan base
opponent isnt entertaining enough
A side/b side debate
catchweight requirements
fighter refuses to fight out of hometown
fighter prices themselves out

Now i know that this isnt new in boxing,and has been going on for years. But when did it start,who have been the biggest duckers so far,why has it become acceptable,and is there any way that this could be fixed?

this has always been thecase since the color line...only the reasons chage...if only we had a governeting body...