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When did it become alright for fighters to duck each other.
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People toss the word duck around too loosely. Nowadays people would say Sonny Liston was ducking Ali when Ali was calling him out at a young age. Hell Ali followed Liston half way across the country calling him out to his face.
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Originally posted by goodvibes View PostIt became a common practice because fighters, managers and promoters realized they can make MILLIONS by building up a fighter, making him a staple name in the boxing world, and then let him fight sub-par competition all the while keeping a fighter's record intact(Undefeated) and "appealable" to casual fans whom are the majority of the people who buy PPV's.
We have all heard it before again and again, boxing is sport but it is also a business. It is unfortunate that fans do not always get the fights they would like to see, but at the end of the day a fan's opinion of a fighter is just that, an opinion.
What Al Haymon has done with his stable of fighters is very smart. He takes unknown fighters, builds their records slowly with so-so competition so the fighter has a good record(on paper). Then when the fighter is popular and known in the boxing world, he continues putting the fighter against low-level competition to keep the fighter looking strong, and capable. Once the fighter has enough stardom, he puts that fighter in as Free main events on Showtime or HBO, or co-mains of Mayweather fights. In order to attract more buyers.
A good example of these type of fighters is Amir Khan and Danny Garcia as well as Deontay Wilder. All 3 of these fighters have been called cowards, cherry-pickers, in the past. Yet all 3 remain big names in boxing.
Haymon built his fighters up using Golden Boy as a platform, then when they achieved the stardom and name-power. He pulled the plug and started his own show.
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Originally posted by shadow-boxer View PostYou missed his point (hidden agenda). He was waiting for you to say that while ducking was as old as the sport itself, it became the norm because of Mayweather. He was the epitome of modern ducking. Unless he is an idiot or young and don't really knew the history of the sport.
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Originally posted by shadow-boxer View PostYou missed his point (hidden agenda). He was waiting for you to say that while ducking was as old as the sport itself, it became the norm because of Mayweather. He was the epitome of modern ducking. Unless he is an idiot or young and don't really knew the history of the sport.
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Originally posted by Marvellous1 View PostI didn't miss the agenda. Just showing that some of us have been watching and studying the sport for a long time. I lived through Ol Fish Eyes' (Frank Warren's) style of matching and promoting over here (UK) and seen a few before him pull some shenanigans. It's nothing new. Along came the internet........
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Originally posted by mike1010011 View PostIn recent years,its seems that fighters are becoming more and more creative,when it comes to excuses for not fighting another fighter that would pose a challenge. We've heard them all.
different promoters
purse splits
opponent lacks fan base
opponent isnt entertaining enough
A side/b side debate
catchweight requirements
fighter refuses to fight out of hometown
fighter prices themselves out
Now i know that this isnt new in boxing,and has been going on for years. But when did it start,who have been the biggest duckers so far,why has it become acceptable,and is there any way that this could be fixed?
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