Peds increases stamina, so why dont we just allow it in boxing???

[nivek535]

Look at yourself in the mirror

You are basically saying you want more fighters to end up brain damaged or dead

this exactly.

[Djanxx]

wouldn't it make fights more exciting? I don't really see the big fuss over this. Why can't we just allowed Performance Enhancing Drugs, I mean it doesn't increase power, only stamina so why not?

What a terrible idea lmao

[Dindu_Nuffin]

wouldn't it make fights more exciting? I don't really see the big fuss over this. Why can't we just allowed Performance Enhancing Drugs, I mean it doesn't increase power, only stamina so why not?

Eh, I've toyed around with the idea of just making them legal... But then it would come down to who has the best money, and resources... Or some boxers might still be against it for reasons of not wanting to put it in their bodies...

Also, due to increased stamina, it could make a boxer fight on longer, and harder, and could result in more boxers getting brain bleeding, swelling, clotting, concussions, etc. Basically it makes the body perform at a higher level, but the brain still takes the same damage, only could take more of it on steroids.

But the way it is now, it's not right. They either need to go full-bore, and make EVERY boxer registered as a professional be subject to random testing 24/7/365.

[Hype job]

how you figure that?

you are only looking at it from one perspective. the fact that a fighter has more stamina means he could put himself in better position, better situation to DEFEND HIMSELF. Not only that, a boxer with more stamina could end the fight quicker. instead of two fighters running low and are just beating each other to death with no end in sight.

who do you think is more at risk for brain damage or lmfffaaoo death?

a boxer with full stamina bar or a boxer running low on stamina and open to risk of getting hit?

that's an incredibly ****** reactionary post jas. im sorry to say that.

certain peds should be made legal. it would actually benefit the boxers and prevent them from suffering catastrophic injury.

people need to take a step back from the mob mentality of wanting to lynch and destory the reputation of any athlete that risk his life to take peds which are legal in other aspects of life but is shamelessly illegal for athletes.

YOU OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.

Knuckle dusters could help fighters end the fight earlier, heck why don't we just allow them to come in with a baseball bat.

[toshmurph]

wouldn't it make fights more exciting? I don't really see the big fuss over this. Why can't we just allowed Performance Enhancing Drugs, I mean it doesn't increase power, only stamina so why not?

Because dummy, an added benefit of PEDs is a higher tolerance threshold, if you had two guys jacked on PEDs then they could conceivingly batter each other from pillar to post for 12 rounds, a clean knock out shutting of the lights does less harm to the brain than a constant and sustained barrage! So fighters would be at more risk!

[Hype job]

it has nothing to do with hardcore or trying to be badass.

do you not understand that there is another perspective to see about this subject?

im not trying to troll here.

why is it ok for you or me to use medication made by the ingenuity of man to enhance our performance to make money to get something accomplished, to be a better person but somehow if an athlete takes it, its some abhorrent affront to life and justice?

do you not understand that PEDS keep athletes safe, allow them to perform at a high sometimes artistic level for the masses to enjoy, allow them to make a great deal of money to provide a better life for their families?

why is it so wrong for them to take something so they can achieve those things? THERE IS NO RISK TO YOU. THEY ARE THE ONE TAKING THE RISK.

Do you not know that every governing body by every sport already allows athletes in their respective sports LEGALLY DEEMED OK PEDS? That they make those decisions almost arbitrarily without any real medical justification?

Its 2015.

Its time to move away from UTTERLY IDIOTIC SELF RIGHTEOUS IDEAS like JESUS AND ALLAH ARE real and that peds taken by athletes is somehow some evil deed and abomination to fair play.

Its not.

Its human evolution, progress and brilliance of mankind.

Boxing and other combat sports primary purpose is to inflict harm on the opponent, drugs to increase you're ability to make money enhance the individual and society.

[SplitSecond]

only the stupiest individuals think it would be ok to allow ped's

[gmc_rfc_06]

I'm not even going to read the thread, just p!ss off.

Why not allow fighters to cheat? Seems like a fairly straight forward answer. It then becomes a case of 'who is using the most substances?' and 'who is using the highest grade substances?' Not to mention guys would incorporate other enhancers for added power, strength, etc...

Boxing is man against man to find out what's best, nobody wants to see it becomes chemical warfare.

Stamina is a strength, some guys work harder than others on it. You can't just go removing advantages. What next, Malignaggi gets to wear plaster gloves to even up the punching power?

[Hype job]

how does having more stamina make somebody more powerful?

there are medications that specialize in stamina.

what is producing the power? what is more natural? medication or weight lifting?

isnt power a natural thing? isnt it you have to have thick legs and calves?

if paulie malignaggi took something you think he would turn to GGG?

you're fcking ******ed demonizing something that hasnt killed anybody. you're so blinded and mind controlled like a damn zombie sheep demonizing something that has absolutely no effect to your life.

carry on self righteous ******s as these athletes takes peds already deemed legal by their governing bodies without any real medical justificiation.

LOL

Boxing is the most tiring sport, putting a crapload into punches is very taxing. As your stamina and energy levels decrease, your focus decreases, your ability to generate force decreases, and your ability to defend yourself decreases.

[TintaBoricua]

it has nothing to do with hardcore or trying to be badass.

do you not understand that there is another perspective to see about this subject?

im not trying to troll here.

why is it ok for you or me to use medication made by the ingenuity of man to enhance our performance to make money to get something accomplished, to be a better person but somehow if an athlete takes it, its some abhorrent affront to life and justice?

do you not understand that PEDS keep athletes safe, allow them to perform at a high sometimes artistic level for the masses to enjoy, allow them to make a great deal of money to provide a better life for their families?

why is it so wrong for them to take something so they can achieve those things? THERE IS NO RISK TO YOU. THEY ARE THE ONE TAKING THE RISK.

Do you not know that every governing body by every sport already allows athletes in their respective sports LEGALLY DEEMED OK PEDS? That they make those decisions almost arbitrarily without any real medical justification?

Its 2015.

Its time to move away from UTTERLY IDIOTIC SELF RIGHTEOUS IDEAS like JESUS AND ALLAH ARE real and that peds taken by athletes is somehow some evil deed and abomination to fair play.

Its not.

Its human evolution, progress and brilliance of mankind.

^^^I commend you for your well thought out and compelling argument. This is a good thread.

Ever since I saw that "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" documentary, I kinda' moved a little bit away from the whole conception that steroids are the ultimate evil. I think there is a natural tendency for people to label anything not entirely well-known as something corrupt. When steroids first came out in the public light, feds were cracking down on it as if it was *******, heroin, and other notorious damaging controlled substances.

The fact of the matter is, steroids do NOT create the athlete. I think the best bit in that entire documentary is when a professional weightlifter is being interviewed and he says something like: "It's not that you can't be strong without steroids, you just can't be strong as possible without steroids. The steroids don't make the athlete. If I go out and put on Barry Bonds' uniform, does that mean I'm going to go out there and hit home runs?"

Now, I get it. Weight-lifting and baseball aren't exactly like boxing. Boxing is entirely separate from these regular sports because, at its core, one of the means towards victory is to inflict injury on your opponent. Should "steroids" be part of it? I dunno. That's worthy of a long debate right there. I think you could make a fair argument for BOTH cases. Like here:

I'm not even going to read the thread, just p!ss off.

Why not allow fighters to cheat? Seems like a fairly straight forward answer. It then becomes a case of 'who is using the most substances?' and 'who is using the highest grade substances?' Not to mention guys would incorporate other enhancers for added power, strength, etc...

Boxing is man against man to find out what's best, nobody wants to see it becomes chemical warfare.

Stamina is a strength, some guys work harder than others on it. You can't just go removing advantages. What next, Malignaggi gets to wear plaster gloves to even up the punching power?

And before anyone pulls out the old "well, let's just give them 6oz gloves and brass knuckles" sarcasm quip (apparently beaten to it), it's not the same. It's one thing to improve your stamina/recovery, it's another thing entirely to change the concept of the sport, and add a TANGIBLE element that could cause irreparable/readily noticeable damage to a fighter.

I know I'm going to get mobbed for siding with the thread starter, but he's actually bringing a good debate to the table and something refreshing besides Mayweather/Pacquiao.