One and not the other.......

[PivotandRoll]

Edwin Valero is dead. That might have something to do with it. People are going to have a hard time rooting against or wishing a jail sentence upon a dead guy.

There you go, justifying support for a man who murdered his wife and child.

Yeah, it was a good idea to edit your post

[Weltschmerz]

Of course you will judge a fighter for what he does outside the ring -- turning the blind eye is ******.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I see a regular theme on this site where guys will insult a fighters style of fighting, whether it be calling them runners or wild face first brawlers someone always has a negative thing to say whoever the fighter may be. As far as I can tell the reason usually lies in admiration or support for said fighters opponents or in some case just illogical hate against men they do not know personally.

There are many examples of this in debates about fights like Lara/Canelo, Rigo/Santa Cruz, Ward/GGG-Kovalev and the inspiration for this thread Mayweather/Pacquiao. Some of these fighters come from your home countries/cities and this I understand can play a factor but..........


What I don't understand is liking one guy and not the other. Is supporting one fighter really reason enough to hate another?


Do you only like one of Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier? Do you only like one of Sugar Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran? Do you only like one of Pernell Whitaker and Julio Cesar Chavez Sr? I'd say most sensible people would answer NO! you appreciate both for their amazing abilities, whether that be in defence, offence or both in some cases(Leonard).

How you could have anything but respect for both guys as boxers is beyond me, if you let what someone does outside of a ring affect what you think of them inside the ring then you do not know boxing and are most likely just a fan of a certain fighter, which is the opposite of what boxing is about and you should probably find a team sport to follow.

In your examples, I can tell you that I liked Frazier way more than Ali, Duran way more than Leonard and Chavez, Sr. more than Whitaker. It's not so much a personal thing as it is style. I like aggressive fighters. However the boxers' style meshes very well with aggressive fighters. So yes, I appreciate them and there is a lot of hate, but two guys hitting each other tends to stir up emotions. And people get very emotional over sports. Always will. And while I respect both fighters, I definitely respect one more than the other in those cases.

But let's face it. When a fighter acts like a complete jackass, we take notice as human beings and respect does drop. No one is completely objective. We're only human.

[Ivansmamma]

I like action fighters like Froch, Golovkin, Matthysse. I also respect and like skilled boxers like Rigo as long as they got power. I dont like technical, pile up points boxing or boxers with no power like malignaggi even tough i respect them as persons.

Guys like Khan, Broner, stevensson and Floyd a few years back, loud mouth obnoxious persons i don't like no matter if they are great fighters or not, i dislike their personalties and want them to get put in their place.

[ea22]

I like action fighters like Froch, Golovkin, Matthysse. I also respect and like skilled boxers like Rigo as long as they got power. I dont like technical, pile up points boxing or boxers with no power like malignaggi even tough i respect them as persons.

Guys like Khan, Broner, stevensson and Floyd a few years back, loud mouth obnoxious persons i don't like no matter if they are great fighters or not, i dislike their personalties and want them to get put in their place.

Basically this, it's not about not appreciating boxing skills, it's just what you decide to do with them. If you want to use them to point fight and to survive a fight with the least amount of risk, then I can't respect that. It's about using those boxing skills to work for a KO, you might not get it(some people just can't be knocked out), but about fighting every minute of the fight, I find the inverse disrespectful. I think some boxers like Lara miss the narrative, it's not about making the other guy look bad, it's about making yourself look good(referring to a statement he made after the Canelo fight).

Are people here going to say SRL and Duran don't have skills because they used go for the knockout(with a few exceptions here and there of course)? I hear people defend fighters who do the bare minimum with statements suggesting that they don't have to work more because they are so skilled, well people don't have to like them for it either.

[PivotandRoll]

Basically this, it's not about not appreciating boxing skills, it's just what you decide to do with them. If you want to use them to point fight and to survive a fight with the least amount of risk, then I can't respect that. It's about using those boxing skills to work for a KO, you might not get it(some people just can't be knocked out), but about fighting every minute of the fight, I find the inverse disrespectful. I think some boxers like Lara miss the narrative, it's not about making the other guy look bad, it's about making yourself look good(referring to a statement he made after the Canelo fight).

Are people here going to say SRL and Duran don't have skills because they used go for the knockout(with a few exceptions here and there of course)? I hear people defend fighters who do the bare minimum with statements suggesting that they don't have to work more because they are so skilled, well people don't have to like them for it either.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would say Leonard or Duran didn't have skills, and you're talking nonsense if you think boxing is about scoring a KO. You don't understand, anyone trying to entertain is a fool, boxing is for keeps. I don't need a boxer to entertain me, a high speed chess match between two killers is enough to entertain me but hey I actually enjoy boxing and the craft of it.

The fact you pick Lara/Canelo to talk about and it not being about how it was a blatant robbery speaks to a bias. Was Lara great? No, was Canelo?

Lara had his gameplan, he had no problem landing his punches and getting away, it was Canelo who couldn't land, Angulo had no problems cutting the ring and making a great fight against Lara but Canelo couldn't.

Canelo is one of my favourite fighters but I've seen him lose three time to Floyd,Lara and Trout.

[PivotandRoll]

In your examples, I can tell you that I liked Frazier way more than Ali, Duran way more than Leonard and Chavez, Sr. more than Whitaker. It's not so much a personal thing as it is style. I like aggressive fighters. However the boxers' style meshes very well with aggressive fighters. So yes, I appreciate them and there is a lot of hate, but two guys hitting each other tends to stir up emotions. And people get very emotional over sports. Always will. And while I respect both fighters, I definitely respect one more than the other in those cases.

But let's face it. When a fighter acts like a complete jackass, we take notice as human beings and respect does drop. No one is completely objective. We're only human.

Well I can tell you I prefer, Ali,Leonard and Whitaker but that doesn't stop me from thinking a Prime Erik Morales's footwork to get on the inside from the front foot is some of the sexiest **** in history.

[PivotandRoll]

Basically this, it's not about not appreciating boxing skills, it's just what you decide to do with them. If you want to use them to point fight and to survive a fight with the least amount of risk, then I can't respect that. It's about using those boxing skills to work for a KO, you might not get it(some people just can't be knocked out), but about fighting every minute of the fight, I find the inverse disrespectful. I think some boxers like Lara miss the narrative, it's not about making the other guy look bad, it's about making yourself look good(referring to a statement he made after the Canelo fight).

Are people here going to say SRL and Duran don't have skills because they used go for the knockout(with a few exceptions here and there of course)? I hear people defend fighters who do the bare minimum with statements suggesting that they don't have to work more because they are so skilled, well people don't have to like them for it either.

Take the guy in my Avatar for example, Brilliant fighter on the front and the back foot, fought Kiko Martinez the first time mainly in the pocket and knocked him out in a hard fought 8-9 rounds. The second time he decided to move a little more a make it easier for himself dropping Martinez on route to a easy decision win. You gonna tell me he deserves less respect the second time around? Because if you are well all I can say is go **** yourself

[PivotandRoll]

Of course you will judge a fighter for what he does outside the ring -- turning the blind eye is ******.

Yep, a fighters out of the ring antics should affect my technical appreciation of a sport...... you shouldn't be calling things ******.

[ea22]

I don't think anyone in their right mind would say Leonard or Duran didn't have skills, and you're talking nonsense if you think boxing is about scoring a KO. You don't understand, anyone trying to entertain is a fool, boxing is for keeps. I don't need a boxer to entertain me, a high speed chess match between two killers is enough to entertain me but hey I actually enjoy boxing and the craft of it.

The fact you pick Lara/Canelo to talk about and it not being about how it was a blatant robbery speaks to a bias. Was Lara great? No, was Canelo?

Lara had his gameplan, he had no problem landing his punches and getting away, it was Canelo who couldn't land, Angulo had no problems cutting the ring and making a great fight against Lara but Canelo couldn't.

Canelo is one of my favourite fighters but I've seen him lose three time to Floyd,Lara and Trout.

It's not all about the KO, but it's supposed to be a fight, a guy who refuses to engage is offputting to me. I don't mind a "high speed chess match" as you call it what I mind is something like Rigo vs Agbenko, where Agbenko had absolutely nothing for Rigo, yet Rigo refused to make anything happen. That being said Rigo is usually ok, but that fight was an abomination.

"Blatant robbery", it was a close fight man, with close rounds which are usually favored towards the aggressor. It seems like you favor a certain style, because I could definitely see the fight going either way.