Comments Thread For: SHO's Espinoza: Arum 'Not Truthful' on Mayweather Talks

[IMDAZED]

Pure nonsense.

There were at least 2 other official negotiations. Everyone knows about $40millionwithnoPPV-gate, but it seems everyone forgets when Floyd and co. tried to hoodwink everyone (again) and were outed by the head of HBO.

If you recall, after Pac-Clottey and May-Mosely there were rumblings of secret negotiations going on behind the scenes. Both sides kept talking about gag orders until Floyd ducked again and went on 'vacation'. Arum told everyone they had been negotiating through Ross Greenburg, then president of HBO, Floyd's side went into damage control mode and said no such talks were happening... despite their ongoing gag order.

After a few days of back and forths between Arum and Ellerbe in the media (pretty much the same scenario here), Greenburg broke his silence and made it clear what was going on:

HBO Exec: Mayweather-Pacquiao Talks True

As pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao moves on to a probable Nov. 13 fight against Antonio Margarito -- now that Floyd Mayweather has said he is not interested in making boxing's biggest fight, at least this year -- there is still some unfinished business from the messiness of last week's cliffhanger: Were the Pacquiao and Mayweather camps negotiating the fight or not?

Top Rank's Bob Arum, Pacquiao's promoter, insists they were, using HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg as an intermediary.

The Mayweather camp said that is not true and that there were never any negotiations.

The man in the middle of the storm, Greenburg, remained silent even when pressed repeatedly to offer his version of events.

On Monday night, Greenburg finally did.

He took the Arum/Pacquiao side.

"Fights like Mayweather vs. Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters' ability to connect with sports fans around the world. It's unfortunate that it won't happen in 2010," Greenburg said in a statement. "I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together. Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it."

The date Greenburg mentioned was the day after Mayweather's resounding decision win against Shane Mosley.

Arum had said over and over during the past two weeks, beginning on a 3 a.m. ET July 17 conference call to announce that the exclusive window to negotiate with Mayweather had closed, that he was negotiating the fight with Al Haymon, Mayweather's adviser, with Greenburg as the go-between.

Arum said he would discuss deal points with Greenburg, who would then take them to Haymon and vice versa.

Leonard Ellerbe, Mayweather's other adviser and the public voice because Haymon refuses to speak to the press, said a few days after Arum outlined how the talks went that there had never been any negotiations.

He released a statement a few days after Arum's teleconference that said, "Here are the facts. Al Haymon, (Golden Boy Promotions CEO) Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis, and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place, nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13. Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=5412488

Greenburg later made it clear it was Floyd and Floyd alone who inexplicably ducked the fight en route to his woman-beatig 'vacation':

Greenburg insists the fight was close to being made twice for this year. ***8220;Both times, the fight was very close to being made,***8221; Greenburg told Satterfield. ***8220;And, the second time around, you know, all that I can say is that you would have to ask Floyd Mayweather why the fight wasn***8217;t made. To this day, I really don***8217;t know why Floyd decided that he didn***8217;t want the fight any more in the fall.***8221;

***8220;To this day, I don***8217;t know why he wanted to take some more time off,***8221; said Greenburg. ***8220;Only Floyd has that answer. I certainly don***8217;t have that answer. But, you know, it was very close. It was so, so, close. I think that it was so close that I don***8217;t think that it***8217;s going to take much to make the fight the third time around.***8221;

http://www.*************.com/headlin...vs-mayweather/

This is just History repeating itself. We just need a neutral party to come forward and give details about what is happening behind the scenes. Espinoza is a Haymon stooge through and through much like Schaefer and Ellerbe were before him. I would love to hear Moonves thoughts.

Are you implying that Moonves is an idiot who hired a Haymon stooge and lets him fly off at the handle and lie?

[Reloaded]

Arum blowing smoke AGAIN and he will get away with it!

They released that Pacquiao "AGREED AND HAS ALREADY SIGNED HIS CONTRACT" before he started his US Press Tour to Promote his Movie so when he is asked about Mayweather vs Pacquiao he goes out and say "I ALREADY AGREED I'M JUST WAITING FOR MAYWEATHER TO SIGN"...BRILLIANT MOVE BY ARUM, JUST BRILLIANT!


Negotiations are going on I'm sure but I doubt the official contract has been drawn up yet if the Networks haven't even worked out their issues yet and it is other things that needs to be negotiated upon. How does that even make sense to draw up a contract and sign it before everything is agreed upon?

Its not brilliant at all , any of these haters in here could do the same thing , come out and put all the blame on Floyd and the world will automatically believe whatever you say , Floyd is the easiest person in the world to beat up in a public forum , thats not brilliance its pied piper and a ship of gullible fools .

[DeadLikeMe]

You could not be more wrong clown

I've posted the head of the BIR saying that if Manny doesn't pay taxes in Macau he has to pay it in the PI. Yet here you are espousing your same crap. It doesn't matter where you earn the money, if it isn't taxed in that nation then most countries will see it as applicable to your taxable income in your homeland. I know you're just trying to spread disinformation to "help" pacquiao to those ******er than yourself. There's just one problem, there aren't many of those people on the Earth.

http://au.ibtimes.com/macaus-tax-fre...lippine-taxman

[FloydvsPac]

So we have one side claiming they signed a contract and one side saying their isnt a contract thats been drafted...somebody is lying. And its the audience whose gonna choose who they prefer to believe...do you believe Bob? Or do you believe Espinoza?

I remember the 1st article when Arum stated that Pac has agreed and that they were just waiting for hin to arrive(state-side) so he can "sign on the dotted-line". The media just ran with that and Floyd doesnt help himself being a conplete jack@$$ in his interviews.

I suspect Bob isnt being completely honest about a 60/40 split as he says. What if the split isnt 60/40 at all? if Floyd does go public with his real terms its gonna look like hes "coming up with a new demand"

I think Bob has everybody fooled.

Deal memorandums specifying terms can be drawn up and signed before the long form agreement. Even email & fax confirmations with deal points are binding. Happens all the time. Espinoza can easily get away with saying there is no contract because the final long form agreement hasn't been finalized. And Arum could be accurate in saying we "signed off" and "agreed" to everything. Espinoza is certainly not dis*****g that nor are Moonves and Plepler.

[TheFlashKnows]

The soap opera continues.

But one thing is for sure... regardless of what's holding up the fight, Espinoza is going to defend Floyd. Afterall, SHO has Floyd on contract. If Espinoza were to admit Floyd is holding up the fight and get fans angry at him, how is SHO supposed to sell Floyd vs. Cotto II?

[Flash13]

I asked you if you thought he was lying. Didn't ask you whether he thought Pacquiao agreed.

About what specifically? About floyd dying to fight pacquiao? Haha i think that's a huge lie. I mean Floyd backed Ariza's comments that he wasn't going to fight pacman on may 2nd, with a very unacceptable reason. Obviously Espinoza needs to say that, a massive boycott could be in effect. With the negotiations stuff? Idk i'm not sure, i really have no idea wtf is going on anymore. I was trying to gather some information today on that subject, but not one insider seems to know what's going on.

[IMDAZED]

The soap opera continues.

But one thing is for sure... regardless of what's holding up the fight, Espinoza is going to defend Floyd. Afterall, SHO has Floyd on contract. If Espinoza were to admit Floyd is holding up the fight and get fans angry at him, how is SHO supposed to sell Floyd vs. Cotto II?

Works both ways.

[Reloaded]

Deal memorandums specifying terms can be drawn up and signed before the long form agreement. Even email & fax confirmations with deal points are binding. Happens all the time. Espinoza can easily get away with saying there is no contract because the final long form agreement hasn't been finalized. And Arum could be accurate in saying we "signed off" and "agreed" to everything. Espinoza is certainly not dis*****g that nor are Moonves and Plepler.

Wouldnt it be easier for Arum to produce a contract signed by Manny , it only takes a photocopier and a signed contract , Arum sounds too much like Oscar and the Canelo is signed off on everything routine , which was all lies .

[ThePrince]

Are you implying that Moonves is an idiot who hired a Haymon stooge and lets him fly off at the handle and lie?

I have no idea who hired Espinoza, but would anyone be surprised if he didn't have a job by the Summer?

And that wasn't the point at all, just pointing out that there were other official negotiations... and other instances where Floyd alone killed the fight and then his people tried to lie about it to get him off the hook in the media.

Same ruse here. Rinse and repeat.

Notice how Stevie keeps using the word 'misrepresenting'. Has anyone asked him if there are any fight terms, not counting the network distribution deal, that are still an issue? Arum has said they acquiesced to all of Floyd's demands- purse split, venue, date, drug testing protocol, even down to promotional billing and the order of entrance into the ring.

[Flash13]

The soap opera continues.

But one thing is for sure... regardless of what's holding up the fight, Espinoza is going to defend Floyd. Afterall, SHO has Floyd on contract. If Espinoza were to admit Floyd is holding up the fight and get fans angry at him, how is SHO supposed to sell Floyd vs. Cotto II?

Exactly, spot on.

Edit: I didn't even realize your name had flash in it haha....