Perspective on Klit, and the HW division

[beez721]

He looked ok in his last fight, and he was obviously trying to make a good impression to HBO and the U.S. fans.

He wanted to finally deliver a decent performance, and he did.

It was a nice knockout.

But as I watched the fight, I shook my head and thought to myself 'how did HW boxing become so bad?'

The fact that Pulev was the number 1 contender, and was widely regarded as Klit's toughest test for a long time, just speaks volumes to me on how weak this division is.

Let's be brutally honest here.

Pulev showed heart but not much skill, waving his left like a wand, no movement whatsoever, dropping his right arm completely open for left hooks

he's not in any way a good fighter.

Klit had to excessively hold on to Pulev to avoid any exchanges. He was even rocked early by a light jab, showing his weak punch resistance.

Klit is an ok HW, but his competition is extremely weak.


Would Pulev have troubled many HW champs of the past?

I'll say no, definitely not.

So we can give credit to Klit for finally looking halfway decent, and coming in good shape at his age, and putting in an ok performance.

But this division is weak, and he did not beat a good fighter in his last fight.

His next fight is against a highly ranked contender in Byrant Jennings who only started boxing 5 years ago and is a full time mechanic by trade.

I watched his last fight against an out of shape Cuban and he did not look good. He only won because the opponent tired out and was deducted a point. Still even a draw would have been fair.

This guy is the highest ranked voluntary that Klit can face and is considered one of the top HWs in the world at the moment. This again speaks volumes on how bad the HW division currently is.


Thoughts?

dont recall many heavies even in weak eras that rarely so much as lost a round like wlad over successive title defenses. he almost took pulevs head off with a fight ending left hook in the fifth round against a big heavy that has never been stopped before. yea,,,there was some awkwardness in there but he got and usually gets the job done

[Bigg Rigg]

No it's not, it's just that america isn't the dominating force and people can't stomach that.

That's not the case at all. It's about being from another country. Look at GGG, almost everyone loves him and thinks he's exciting. Wladimir is boring. He held Pulev literally 10 seconds into the match.

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That's not the case at all. It's about being from another country. Look at GGG, almost everyone loves him and thinks he's exciting. Wladimir is boring. He held Pulev literally 10 seconds into the match.

Don't know what you're going by but most of the people who hate Wlad on NSB seem to hate Golovkin too. They switch gears to "he's beating bums from europe and australia".

[thebigkabosh]

Don't know what you're going by but most of the people who hate Wlad on NSB seem to hate Golovkin too. They switch gears to "he's beating bums from europe and australia".

That's total horse ****. This isn't about race or anything. Klit is a boring clincher who is deathly afraid at the thought of getting in a tear up. Golovkin on the other hand is an aggressive action fighter who isn't scared to get hit.

Terrible comparison.

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It wasn't a theoretical comparison, it was a factual observation.

[bluebeam]

No it's not, it's just that america isn't the dominating force and people can't stomach that.

so who are the hall of fame heavyweights that exist in this era that you say isn't horrible?

i'll wait

[bluebeam]

Yes of course. It is not exactly Klit's fault he fought in a bad era but then we can't pretend that he is a great HW or compare him to the true ATGs for fighting in such a terrible time for HWs.

I agree with that

[low blows]

Eh. Holyfield, Tyson and Lewis belong in the HOF but the rest I don't believe do although I think Bowe is getting in. He never impressed me. And well, how many of them made 18 successful defenses? It's not like Wlad has not fought number one contenders and all the division can throw at him.

As far as Pulev, I don't know, but how many undeserving challengers got shots in the 1990s? Remember Michael Bentt? A 10-1(5) gets a shot? Sure, he pulled off the upset but still. Axel Shulz? How did he earn a shot? Jesse Ferguson? Bert Cooper? Oliver McCall? Yeah. Whole pack of winners. Two of the bigger fights of the 1990s in he HW division was Holyfield fighting over-the-hill Foreman and Holmes. Yeah. So exciting.

The WBO has much worse challengers than that for their world belt. Damon Reed fought Herbie Hide. Tommy Morrison was supposed to fight his Rocky 5 opponent Union Cane and Mike Williams supposedly refused to fight after the weigh in. Granted in that era the WBO title was viewed as fringe title similar to the IBC or or IBO belt.

[Stuntman Mike]

That's total horse ****. This isn't about race or anything. Klit is a boring clincher who is deathly afraid at the thought of getting in a tear up. Golovkin on the other hand is an aggressive action fighter who isn't scared to get hit.

Terrible comparison.

Same here.. I love watching Golovkin and get excited before a Wlad fight but am always let down by his lack of skill as a heavyweight... He is all size.. Clinch,wrestle and for all that size and power so tentative which is why he will never be remembered as a great champion other than to Klitlickers

earlier there was a thread about who is better..Wlad or Lewis...

the comparison is totally disrespectful to Lewis.Imagine if Lewis fought Eddie Chambers.Do you think Emmanuel Steward would have had to smack Lewis around in the corner after the 11th round telling him to go for the ko because he was really embarrassed,no because Chambers would be lucky to make round 2.. Wlad has three weapons in his entire arsenal Jab,straight right after about the third round after you can clearly see the brown stain emerging from his behind and the mighty clinch

Lewis was a beast,he'd jab,move around better than Wlad,trade when hurt and even fight in the clinches something Wladimir can't do at all...Lewis's uppercut was sensational,something I've never seen Wlad use "because its too risky"

Wladimir is an embarrassment to the heavyweight division but his nutthuggers are even worse

and now the giant coward is fighting two bums in a row when he has some nice opponents waiting

[thebigkabosh]

You say that, yet you used to have me on your ignore list with your previously banned account.

It's obvious who you are now.

You post exactly the same opinions with exactly the same style as you used to with your perma-banned account. If you were wiser, you'd change it up a bit.

You do realize proxy's can be detected by boxingscene's site admins, don't you?

Freedom2013(and the many other alts you go by), why did you stop posting on ESB? Seems you were banned for trolling and pushing your "the world is against the EE fighters" BS routine one too many times.

You obviously have no idea what the **** you are talking about as I have never been on this site before I made this account.

You think I have an alt on this site? Prove it.

I am am sure there are many other ppl who also see that the the HW division currently is extremely weak because it clearly is. Anybody who isn't drinking the K2 kool-aid can see it.

I have never and will never put a poster on my ignore list. Only butthurt fanboys and betas do that.

This is a truth that pains a nancy boy like you so much you have to pathetically block a poster for their opinion. Haha clown.

Lets be realistic here:

Compare this top 20 with the one from the 90s for example. It isn't close.

Awful Kubrat Pulev with a 20-0 built up record was the ring mag #1 contender and currently a top 5 ring mag HW.

Bryant Jennings a 19-0 full time mechanic with an almost entirely built up record is by your claim a top 5 HW.

That really says it all.