Comments Thread For: Fury To Wilder: I'll Rip Your Heart Out, Feed it To You!

[kafkod]

What tosh. If we discount the fact Chisora didn't look up for the fight; didn't feint as he moved in; didn't jab; and looked flat footed, perhaps we can subscribe to the above.

Fury should have stopped Chisora in the second fight. Chisora didn't throw anything back; he was little more than a punchbag. No wonder people were booing.

Chisora was beaten before he even got into the ring.

One of Fury's biggest talents, which nobody seems to take into account, is the ability he has to psyche his opponents out and undermine their self-belief during the build up to a fight.

He did it with Chisora and he did it with David Haye, twice. Remember how timid and hesitant Haye was during the pressers he did with Fury? He was almost afraid to open his mouth in case Fury jumped on what he was saying and used it to make him look silly.

If Fury could do that to Haye he would certainly be able to do it with Wilder, who is nowhere near as clever and articulate, though he obviously likes to think he is.

I don't think Wilder would react well to being made to look like an idiot on his own turf, and that might have a negative effect on his performance if he fought Fury.

[Elroy1]

Wlad would probably make a good Terminator. However when he starts trying to hug the T-1000 to death, he'll get his azz fired.

I am with you that Fury is a top contender and probably favourite vs Wilder..

But he doesn't have any chances against Wladimir whatsoever! You gotta know that!

He doesn't have the chin to survive or the skills/attributes to compete skillwise OR the power to score an upset.

No matter what happens, he cant win that fight. That is the reality of it.

Doesn't preclude him for beating any other opponent though.

[kafkod]

Wlad would probably make a good Terminator. However when he starts trying to hug the T-1000 to death, he'll get his azz fired.

Haha. Yeah, hugging a shape-shifter isn't a good move!

[kafkod]

I am with you that Fury is a top contender and probably favourite vs Wilder..

But he doesn't have any chances against Wladimir whatsoever! You gotta know that!

He doesn't have the chin to survive or the skills/attributes to compete skillwise OR the power to score an upset.

No matter what happens, he cant win that fight. That is the reality of it.

Doesn't preclude him for beating any other opponent though.

Wlad would be favourite, but Fury would definitely have a chance of pulling off an upset. He has enough power to KO Wlad, I have no doubt about that whatsoever. And with his speed, and the huge reach advantage he would have, I think there is every chance he might be able find Wlad's chin with something.

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I am with you that Fury is a top contender and probably favourite vs Wilder..

But he doesn't have any chances against Wladimir whatsoever! You gotta know that!

He doesn't have the chin to survive or the skills/attributes to compete skillwise OR the power to score an upset.

No matter what happens, he cant win that fight. That is the reality of it.

Doesn't preclude him for beating any other opponent though.

Disagree, i think Wlad would be the clear favourite though.

Wlad wouldn't be able to rough Fury up on the inside, and lean all over him like he usually does with opponents, and he won't be able to dominate with the jab due to Fury's size.

Fury's unpredictability, heart & size make him a live dog. However I'd expect Wlad to catch him with something big at some point and knock him out.

If Fury stuck to a game plan & fought the fight of his life, you never know!

He's certainly got a better chance against him than Deontay Wilder.

[lefthook2daliva]

Deontay Wilder is a very limited boxer with limited skills. He relies on his overrated power & athleticism.

I don't follow the heavies much as they mostly suck pretty bad, but from what I've seen, Fury doesn't even have what Wilder has.

Should this fight materialize, we can bet some points if you like.

[B-Bomber]

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see Tyson Fury outboxing anybody.

In my opinion he would try to come forward and turn it into a dog fight, where his weight would matter.

If he manages to push Wilder around and force him to fight a "ugly" fight , then he can win.

If he tries to box , he might have some success with the jab early, then get either lazy or overconfident and end up eating some huge right hand.

[Elroy1]

Wlad would be favourite, but Fury would definitely have a chance of pulling off an upset. He has enough power to KO Wlad, I have no doubt about that whatsoever. And with his speed, and the huge reach advantage he would have, I think there is every chance he might be able find Wlad's chin with something.

You make the same mistake as most.

Wladimir has a solid chin beyond any doubt. Nothing but the biggest punches bother Wladimir and you don't go through the hardest hitting, heaviest era with 66 fights and so few losses with a weak chin.

That myth is exposed.

Fury himself is regarded somewhat unfoundedly as having a weak chin himself, and it's definitely weaker than Wlad's that's for sure.

I am CERTAIN Wlad's chin can even take Wilder's power. The only question is can Fury? I know Fury's would fail him vs Wlad though. Only titanium can stand up to that and even then mostly only on the defence.

Only 1 fighter in recent memory sustained 12 rounds of full power bashing and that was one Mariusz Wach, among the hardest chins on Earth ever.

[Elroy1]

Disagree, i think Wlad would be the clear favourite though.

Wlad wouldn't be able to rough Fury up on the inside, and lean all over him like he usually does with opponents, and he won't be able to dominate with the jab due to Fury's size.

Fury's unpredictability, heart & size make him a live dog. However I'd expect Wlad to catch him with something big at some point and knock him out.

If Fury stuck to a game plan & fought the fight of his life, you never know!

He's certainly got a better chance against him than Deontay Wilder.

Hmmm..

I am a little unsure.. But you've made him a great case...

Fury is much better than many give credit, he is quite fast and uses a veriety of shots and his physical proportions do enable him to nullify some of WK's tactics.

The main reason I detract from him here is I am not quite sold Fury knows how to capitalise on them.

Only one way to find out.. Fury vs Wladimir

Fury has earned the right to face WK first, it is a smart move from Fury, he can take Deontay later but the WK fight is the right career move.

[Ravens Fan]

No I know, but we've had discussions about him in the past and you've referred to him as a clumsy oaf. Forgive me, I just assumed that was what you were referring to. I thought he was clumsy once as well.

I believe he was 210, and I don't really remember him outboxing Fury at all. Maybe you can lead me to where he was outboxed? Because I remember it being a pretty even fight until the 4-5th round, of course, where Fury had been dropped like a sack of potatoes early in the second round. Mostly it was Cunningham jabbing Fury to the body and it not having any effect on Fury at all to a point where he was just clowning. When he picked himself up and put it on Cunningham, there was nothing Cunningham could do.

Well, Chisora looked pretty good in pressuring Haye, Vitali, Helenius, Malik Scott etc and he didn't even land a single shot on Fury. It was a glorified sparring session for Fury. He handled him better than anyone, including Vitali did.

You are allowed not to like him, that's fine. I don't know what happens, but what I do like about Fury and what he showed in the Cunningham fight, was that he had the ability to go balls to the wall and go to war. He's also massive, so if he can apply that strength he'll have an advantage against most heavyweights. He is far bigger than Wilder, not just in height.

I think Wilder could knock a fair few good heavies out. I also believe Stiverne has a pretty damn good chin. Wilder just needs to learn to be a little more patient when he has his opponent hurt because he has such long arms that it's hard for him to get the short KO shot through and he ends up wind milling.

But his 1-2 will do some damage I'm sure.

I believe you are wrong. Because I have in fact called Fury a big goofball and possibly even a big idiot. With that said I bet that you will be hard pressed to find that I have ever called him clumsy. But if you can find it and prove me wrong go for it.

You see my opinion of Fury is based more so on his character and not him as a fighter. I simply don't like the way he carries himself and I don't care for all foulness and bravado bull*****. But please don't get me wrong because I still don't believe that he is anywhere near as good a fighter as his fans do. And why? Because I have seen him get knocked around by some very inferior competition.

As far as the Fury-Cunninham fight is concerned I honestly just watched it again and I actually scored it. I had it the same as Larry Hazard did at the end of the 6th round and that was 58-55 for Steve. That was pretty close to what two of the judges also had and I also thought the 7th was pretty close until the stoppage.

I look at it like this at times Cunningham was out boxing Fury and when he wasn't Fury was overpowering him. And that is with a washed up over the hill small 210 pound fighter with a less then 40% ko ratio. Cunningham also happens to be fighter that you don't even think much of.

Fury fans also keep saying that Steve landed the best punch of his career when he decked Fury. All I can ask is did Firtha also land his best punches of his career when he took a fight with Fury on short notice? In case you all forgot Firtha knocked the liven snot out of Fury and came really close to stopping him. Did Pajkic also land the punch of his career when he decked Fury? That is same Pajkic who has less then 28% ko ratio.

My point being is that if those limited fighter can hit and hurt Fury what do you possibly believe Wlad will do to him? Because once again I will say it Wlad actually fights better when he fights bigger fighters. And if Fury wasn't hurt by Steve why did he take so long to get off the floor and then go lean on the ropes for most of the rest of the round? Again I just watched the fight.

As far as Chisora is concerned I simply believe he gets way to much attention for winning two rounds against an old one armed Vitali who had one foot in retirement. And who cares about the Nordic Wet Dream? From what I understand Helenius didn't even look good when he fought some dude named after a paint can. Who was it, Sherman Williams?

I will also say it once again to you that I have no idea what so ever how someone can watch the Haye-Chisora fight and say anything other then that Chisora got his a$$ kicked?? And I wanted Chisora to win!! And for all we know Haye could have broken what ever was left of Chisora.

Because the Chisora that Fury fought the second time sure as hell wasn't the same fighter that fought Vitali or Helenius or even the one that fought Fury the first time. He was the new version that showed at at the pre-fight press conference with Fury being all mellow and talking about his new born. Then he showed up on fight night and did nothing but walk straight at Fury while throwing an occasional wild punch. I will say it again I believe its possible that Haye took his heart.

With all that said I just don't believe that Fury has lived up to all the bravado. And his trash talking and threats have not come close to his actual accomplishments inside the ring. I also don't believe he has either the skill nor the power to be of any real threat to Wlad. But if Fury fights Wilder and wins I will just hope that the next fighter he faces, I hope its Wlad, will knock the snot out of him. And its simply because of the fact that I don't like him. And honestly I most likely never will and I am okay with that.