Comments Thread For: Duva Responds To Pascal's PED Testing Complaints

[Dirk Diggler UK]

They're exaggerating the effectiveness of the program. Price said the last time he was randomly tested was before he turned pro.

I just said that no program is full proof. You denied it even existed initially. I guess you have to find a new point of attack.

Fighters who are under threat of being tested at any time are more likely to be clean, logically speaking, than those who are under no threat. That's common sense. It's called a deterrent. You can't stop people from trying to cheat any system though.

The fact that you responded to Kovalev's promoter refusing drug testing with "Lol Brook is on roids too" tells its own sad story.

[Foreign Soil]

I just said that no program is full proof. You denied it even existed initially. I guess you have to find a new point of attack.

Fighters who are under threat of being tested at any time are more likely to be clean, logically speaking, than those who are under no threat. That's common sense. It's called a deterrent. You can't stop people from trying to cheat any system though.

The fact that you responded to Kovalev's promoter refusing drug testing with "Lol Brook is on roids too" tells its own sad story.

You're the queen of spin. The program is next to nonexistent. Surely it's not much of a deterrent if the more known professionals aren't even tested and have to call for tougher testing measures themselves.

Yeah, it does tell it's own sad story. The story that people are so sure of certain fighters being on PEDs when the fighters they support undergo weaker testing measures, like what the UK provides.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You're the queen of spin. The program is next to nonexistent. Surely it's not much of a deterrent if the more known professionals aren't even tested and have to call for tougher testing measures themselves.

Who are these "more known professionals"? David Price? Carl Froch was in the papers a couple of years ago talking about how testers showed up to his house in the early hours and woke his new bord child. Amir Khan and Anthony Joshua have said similar things.

People are always calling for tougher testing measures but that comes at a price.

"Next to non-existent" and "not much of a deterrent" is better than completely not existent and absolutely no deterrent.

Yeah, it does tell it's own sad story. The story that people are so sure of certain fighters being on PEDs when the fighters they support undergo weaker testing measures, like what the UK provides.

Weaker testing measures? There literally is no random testing program in the United States. So how is the UK weaker? Baffling logic.

The sad story is that instead of criticising Duva's position, you dodge, dance and deflect onto other fighters to excuse it. It shows a disturbing level of fanboyism and lack of concern for the sport overall.

[Foreign Soil]

If we were to remove your bias, I think we'd come to the conclusion that fighters across the board, no matter where they reside, are juicing to the same levels. Why is it that far fewer have been caught in the UK? Is it because they're not juicing? More likely is the case that the testing there could surely use an improvement in stringency and frequency. Until then, there's little to boast about and less to accuse of others.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

If we were to remove your bias, I think we'd come to the conclusion that fighters across the board, no matter where they reside, are juicing to the same levels. Why is it that far fewer have been caught in the UK? Is it because they're not juicing? More likely is the case that the testing there could surely use an improvement in stringency and frequency. Until then, there's little to boast about and less to accuse of others.

Far fewer than where? And you said the UK uses weaker testing measures? Than where? I hope you don't mean America.

Do you not see the irony in you criticising a country that actually tries to implement random year round testing whilst defending a country that does absolutely none?

Surely you must see how ****** that makes you look.

[davidandrei]

do you mean to say that because there is a policy for year round random testing in uk but it is rarely enforced, it gives the illiusion that they all clean because they can always say we get yr round random test, but they don't say it rarely happens. say they fight some American, the uk guy be like I accuse you of ped American, im uk so I get tested yr round randomly, even though the last time I tested was when I was a 6 rounder.

[Foreign Soil]

Far fewer than where? And you said the UK uses weaker testing measures? Than where? I hope you don't mean America.

Do you not see the irony in you criticising a country that actually tries to implement random year round testing whilst defending a country that does absolutely none?

Surely you must see how ****** that makes you look.

Far fewer than about anywhere. USA, German and Russian testing are operating at a higher standard than what's going on in the UK. It took them how many years to catch Olumbamiwo? His admission of being up to his gills in PEDs for his entire career and they only managed to catch him at the end? Just think how many PED users in the UK get by without getting caught. All you have to do is not be a career abuser and you're good. To say the system needs to be improved is an understatement.

[Foreign Soil]

do you mean to say that because there is a policy for year round random testing in uk but it is rarely enforced, it gives the illiusion that they all clean because they can always say we get yr round random test, but they don't say it rarely happens. say they fight some American, the uk guy be like I accuse you of ped American, im uk so I get tested yr round randomly, even though the last time I tested was when I was a 6 rounder.

Pretty legit and foolproof, eh? Just another example of hypocrites trying to tarnish someone else's record, while thinking it makes them look good in the process instead of raising red flags of their own.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Far fewer than about anywhere. USA, German and Russian testing are operating at a higher standard than what's going on in the UK. It took them how many years to catch Olumbamiwo? His admission of being up to his gills in PEDs for his entire career and they only managed to catch him at the end? Just think how many PED users in the UK get by without getting caught. All you have to do is not be a career abuser and you're good. To say the system needs to be improved is an understatement.

I am not familiar with Germany or Russia's system. I do know that Sauerland fighters are randomly tested year round which is great. Someone like Wladimir Klitschko is not with Sauerland so he isn't tested in the same which explains the dispute with Pulev.

The USA has no universal random testing programme at all. How can you say that's a higher standard than the UK exactly? That makes absolutely zero sense. You're saying black is white and 2+2 = 5. Nonsense.

Who are referring to when you say people have been caught in America?

[Cinci Champ]

its funny how it works tho how some fighters no one cares about but then u get someone like marquez who beats pac man and all sudden everyone cares. either u care about ped or u dont otherwise ur just using it to fill an agenda