Stiverne diagnosed rhabdomyolysis

[yoz]

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-s...-w-12-arreola/


Actuall 710 punches,but still alot for hw

Not really. Wladimir threw 693 against Wach.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/vi...-wach-compubox

Compared with his previous fights and style, though, I guess it is a 'lot' for Stiverne.

[Elroy1]

710 punches is still amazing for Bermane, who still USUALLY (which is key tio the original argument) has a low workrate (aka Austin).

Closer inspection...

Chris Arreola pushes the pace on every boxer he fights. Against Chris it's do or die from start to finish.

On even closer inspection, Chris got his nose busted in the early rounds and can barely breathe let alone box. Basically surviving against Stiverne, who, it stands to reason, would have had 9 rounds of opportunity to tee off on Chris. Therefore it's explainable the higher output in this fight.

Please tell me about the output in Stiverne vs Arreola 2...

[jup11223]

710 punches is still amazing for Bermane, who still USUALLY (which is key tio the original argument) has a low workrate (aka Austin).

Closer inspection...

Chris Arreola pushes the pace on every boxer he fights. Against Chris it's do or die from start to finish.

On even closer inspection, Chris got his nose busted in the early rounds and can barely breathe let alone box. Basically surviving against Stiverne, who, it stands to reason, would have had 9 rounds of opportunity to tee off on Chris. Therefore it's explainable the higher output in this fight.

Please tell me about the output in Stiverne vs Arreola 2...

The 2nd fight was a tko in 5.so not too many punches

[Elroy1]

Not really. Wladimir threw 693 against Wach.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/vi...-wach-compubox

Compared with his previous fights and style, though, I guess it is a 'lot' for Stiverne.

700 punches is a lot of punches for any HW you idiot Yoz!

For any HW North of the 80's, 700 punches a fight is a great output.

Obviously if you include CRUISER HW's from back in the day, it's not a valid comparison.

[jup11223]

I think the record for a hw fight is tua vs ibeabuchi with a combined number of 1730 punches

[Elroy1]

I think the record for a hw fight is tua vs ibeabuchi with a combined number of 1730 punches

Yeah that's what I'm saying to Yoz, the record for ANY HW fight, INCLUDING cruiser eras was still an average 870 or so punches each fighter involved.

700 punches is ALWAYS a high output fight.

[Weltschmerz]

On a side note, Vitali threw 800 punches vs Arreola over 10 rounds.

[saintpat]

On a side note, Vitali threw 800 punches vs Arreola over 10 rounds.

Stiverne's opponent broke his hand and had an eye injury. I don't see how the loser coming up with a condition that could have been CAUSED by the fight merits a rematch.

If he had this condition before the fight and was pissing black and didn't think that was worth checking out, he probably can't feed himself or tie his shoes either.

But there's no mention of that. In fact, look at his interview after the fight in-ring and he said he felt fine in warm-up and going into the ring.

This rhabdomyolysis thing can be caused by strenuous exercise (like running a marathon) or by trauma (like a car crash, or, in this case, possibly by getting repeatedly beat about the head by a big puncher over 12 rounds). Also by dehydration, which would point to a training failure or even a failure to properly hydrate during the day of the fight.

Stiverne should be given every opportunity to earn a rematch: fight and beat another top contender. But to hand it to him because his body reacted poorly to the stress of the fight, well, let's give everyone a rematch from now on.

Sean O'Grady once summed up the mentality of a fighter who loses as well as I've ever heard it: When you lose you were never at your best, because if you were at your best you wouldn't have lost.

That's the mentality a fighter has to have, because blaming a loss on being less than your best allows you to go into the next fight feeling like you can't be beat, whereas if your best wasn't good enough doubt creeps in.

[Weltschmerz]

Stiverne's opponent broke his hand and had an eye injury. I don't see how the loser coming up with a condition that could have been CAUSED by the fight merits a rematch.

If he had this condition before the fight and was pissing black and didn't think that was worth checking out, he probably can't feed himself or tie his shoes either.

But there's no mention of that. In fact, look at his interview after the fight in-ring and he said he felt fine in warm-up and going into the ring.

This rhabdomyolysis thing can be caused by strenuous exercise (like running a marathon) or by trauma (like a car crash, or, in this case, possibly by getting repeatedly beat about the head by a big puncher over 12 rounds). Also by dehydration, which would point to a training failure or even a failure to properly hydrate during the day of the fight.

Stiverne should be given every opportunity to earn a rematch: fight and beat another top contender. But to hand it to him because his body reacted poorly to the stress of the fight, well, let's give everyone a rematch from now on.

Sean O'Grady once summed up the mentality of a fighter who loses as well as I've ever heard it: When you lose you were never at your best, because if you were at your best you wouldn't have lost.

That's the mentality a fighter has to have, because blaming a loss on being less than your best allows you to go into the next fight feeling like you can't be beat, whereas if your best wasn't good enough doubt creeps in.

Good post.

The Stiverne we saw double dismantle Arreola can certainly work himself back to another title shot. I fully expected him to beat Wilder, but let's not take anything away from Wilder. If Stiverne wasn't 100 percent or close to that it is his own and/or the fault of his team. BS excuses like 'I didn't drink enough water' just sound ridiculous and unprofessional when you go into a title fight.

[stillatic]

I thought it was Derek Chirosa who was in there with Wilder fighting. Training at Floyd gym and seeing his extreme training makes other fighters try to work as hard as Floyd. The problem is Floyd has been training that way for over 10 years. His body has adapted to the rigor, plus Floyd doesn't strain his muscles he very technical on the heavy bag. Stiverne was training almost 5 months. He destroyed his own body. I don't think and immediate rematch is warranted but maybe a number #1 contender fight with whoever may be justified.