Klit wants to fight Briggs for voluntary defense!

[daggum]

Nah, the pie became mandatory by beating Boystov

i know he became mandatory but how he became mandatory is very puzzling. they had boystov at #1 which made zero sense since he hadn't fought a soul. i'm guessing he has a powerful promoter but then leapai comes along and beats him and klitschko said leapai should be mandatory even though they never even fought an eliminator or anything so the wbo voted and sure enough ta-freakin-da wlad got what he want and they installed him as mandatory. who gets a mandatory shot based on winning a 10 round fight?


"I've never heard of Alex Leapai until the fight with Boytsov," Klitschko told ESPN.com

[daggum]

You're nothing but a baiting troll. All of your posts are reserved for making negative comments towards like 5 fighters. Give it a ***in rest already.

no, not all of them. i talk about how wilder is the most dominant heavyweight in boxing history. also some fighters just suck and these guys usually suck over and over again. i don't follow the "all fighters deserve respect" motto. some fighters are cheating scum. holding 187 times is a disgrace. that's not even boxing. its holding almost every 10 seconds. he also held 47 times in 4 and a half rounds against pulev or in klitschko fans lingo "a real barnburner"

i'm not an authoritarian by any means "he held once penalize him!" but when its clear as day that a guy is just holding as a fight strategy and that the ref is there to let him because he is the a-side it's just a farce. it is essentially rigged. its like playing a game of chess but on the starting board you already have the opponent's king surrounded. all you have to do is not completely fu-ck up and you will win. if you can take away your weaknesses(terrible chin, no head movement) by breaking the rules and holding anytime your opponent is in punching range you increase your chances of winning ten fold. i guess i just don't respect a guy who instead of trying to correct his faults took the easy way and resorted to cheating. it's bad enough that he gets away with it but to be mad at me just because i call him out is pretty silly. you should be mad at him for doing it.

[nathan_nall]

Yeah.

This is almost as bad as the Tyson - Stiverne fight Don King is ranting about.

I don't see how people can try to make a case for this fight being ok, this is worse than Pianeta, Wach and Leapai.

PS: I think one can make a case for Wlad being a top 10 ATG at HW , but top 5 ... not even close imo.

Right on. And just to be clear (so people don't think I'm off my rocker), I was saying Wlad would be in Top 10 (maybe even Top 5) in any given generation. If he fought in the 1930s, he'd be in top 10. If he fought in the 60s, he'd be in the top 10. If he fought in the early 90s, hed be in the top 10.

If you combine all those generations together into an ATG list, he'd be maybe Top 20, definitely Top 30.

And Tyson - Stiverne or whoever King is talking about matching sounds like the ramblings of a senile old man.

[nathan_nall]

no, not all of them. i talk about how wilder is the most dominant heavyweight in boxing history. also some fighters just suck and these guys usually suck over and over again. i don't follow the "all fighters deserve respect" motto. some fighters are cheating scum. holding 187 times is a disgrace. that's not even boxing. its holding almost every 10 seconds. he also held 47 times in 4 and a half rounds against pulev or in klitschko fans lingo "a real barnburner"

i'm not an authoritarian by any means "he held once penalize him!" but when its clear as day that a guy is just holding as a fight strategy and that the ref is there to let him because he is the a-side it's just a farce. it is essentially rigged. its like playing a game of chess but on the starting board you already have the opponent's king surrounded. all you have to do is not completely fu-ck up and you will win. if you can take away your weaknesses(terrible chin, no head movement) by breaking the rules and holding anytime your opponent is in punching range you increase your chances of winning ten fold. i guess i just don't respect a guy who instead of trying to correct his faults took the easy way and resorted to cheating. it's bad enough that he gets away with it but to be mad at me just because i call him out is pretty silly. you should be mad at him for doing it.

I get where you're coming from but as ugly as it is, "holding" is a strategy. If you get wobbled, you grab and hold on for dear life. If we penalized for holding, several current/future Hall of Famers would disappear from history.

Hatton, Tyson, Frazier, Hopkins, and even Ali (people forget his ropadope routine involved A LOT of tying up and holding).

[Weltschmerz]

This is from ESB, no credibility.

[jas]

no, not all of them. i talk about how wilder is the most dominant heavyweight in boxing history. also some fighters just suck and these guys usually suck over and over again. i don't follow the "all fighters deserve respect" motto. some fighters are cheating scum. holding 187 times is a disgrace. that's not even boxing. its holding almost every 10 seconds. he also held 47 times in 4 and a half rounds against pulev or in klitschko fans lingo "a real barnburner"

i'm not an authoritarian by any means "he held once penalize him!" but when its clear as day that a guy is just holding as a fight strategy and that the ref is there to let him because he is the a-side it's just a farce. it is essentially rigged. its like playing a game of chess but on the starting board you already have the opponent's king surrounded. all you have to do is not completely fu-ck up and you will win. if you can take away your weaknesses(terrible chin, no head movement) by breaking the rules and holding anytime your opponent is in punching range you increase your chances of winning ten fold. i guess i just don't respect a guy who instead of trying to correct his faults took the easy way and resorted to cheating. it's bad enough that he gets away with it but to be mad at me just because i call him out is pretty silly. you should be mad at him for doing it.

Preach brother, preach.

[B-Bomber]

I get where you're coming from but as ugly as it is, "holding" is a strategy. If you get wobbled, you grab and hold on for dear life. If we penalized for holding, several current/future Hall of Famers would disappear from history.

Hatton, Tyson, Frazier, Hopkins, and even Ali (people forget his ropadope routine involved A LOT of tying up and holding).

Very true.

My problem though is with referees allowing too much of it.

One can let them fight like they used to do in the 40's (like Baer vs Galento , that fight is pure gold ), or penalize excessive holding like one would penalize low blows or elbows. Either solution is ok, but this 'hit and hold' has become too frequent and is not helping the sport imo.

[bojangles1987]

I get where you're coming from but as ugly as it is, "holding" is a strategy. If you get wobbled, you grab and hold on for dear life. If we penalized for holding, several current/future Hall of Famers would disappear from history.

Hatton, Tyson, Frazier, Hopkins, and even Ali (people forget his ropadope routine involved A LOT of tying up and holding).

Holding is illegal. Klitschko doesn't hold when he's hurt, he holds as defense, which is supposed to be against the rules. You're not supposed to be allowed to hold every time you throw a punch or your opponent closes within arm's length of you.

[The Hammer]

Shannon Briggs is not an acceptable opponent.

If they can't get Jennings, someone like Lucas Browne or Charles Martin would be better, or even Andy Ruiz Jr.

Klitschko could fight the winner of Glazkov-Cunningham next, or fight Tyson Fury.

There are better options than psychotic old Briggs.

[Rostov Papa]

i know he became mandatory but how he became mandatory is very puzzling. they had boystov at #1 which made zero sense since he hadn't fought a soul. i'm guessing he has a powerful promoter but then leapai comes along and beats him and klitschko said leapai should be mandatory even though they never even fought an eliminator or anything so the wbo voted and sure enough ta-freakin-da wlad got what he want and they installed him as mandatory. who gets a mandatory shot based on winning a 10 round fight?


"I've never heard of Alex Leapai until the fight with Boytsov," Klitschko told ESPN.com

Agree - but this isn't somethng unique to Klitschko.

Any champion who is able to put asses in seats, and eyeballs on television sets, is usually able to have sway with championship organizations.

I mean, after all, the way they makemoney is from sanctionng fights - surely the fighter who brings them the most moeny ist the one they want to stay champ,and keep happy.