Comments Thread For: Bernard Hopkins-Carl Froch Rumblings Behind The Scenes

[Eastcoast]

That was Chavez's first time carrying a big HBO PPV and he did half a million buys. That was a rousing success. What did you expect it to do?

People expect Mayweather numbers for every PPV now...he only did 2 or 300k on his first PPV.

Chavez/Martinez was a very hyped fight, which was projected to do 600k-800k. And that was back when Chavez fans still had high expectations.

Froch/Chavez maybe does Alvarez/Lara ~325k.

Chavez's two fights with Brian Vera were under 1.5mill views and Froch/Groves II was 700k in an early evening fight. Not exactly the recipe for a ppv success.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Chavez/Martinez was a very hyped fight, which was projected to do 600k-800k. And that was back when Chavez fans still had high expectations.

Froch/Chavez maybe does Alvarez/Lara ~325k.

Chavez's two fights with Brian Vera were under 1.5mill views and Froch/Groves II was 700k in an early evening fight. Not exactly the recipe for a ppv success.

By who? Chavez pretty much carried the PPV on his own. 800K lol....

Chavez's rematch with Vera was the highest rated fight on American television last year. Froch-Groves numbers were huge for the time they were shown. What are you on about? You have no perspective...

[dan_cov]

Two legends who fought absolutely everybody that should of been retired by now, still near the top of their game, lets do it!

Froch by decision.

[Eastcoast]

By who? Chavez pretty much carried the PPV on his own. 800K lol....

Chavez's rematch with Vera was the highest rated fight on American television last year. Froch-Groves numbers were huge for the time they were shown. What are you on about? You have no perspective...

Cotto/Rodriguez was higher rated than Chavez/Vera II by 100k.

Martinez was the MW champ, an active fighter on HBO with solid ratings. Chavez went into that fight with big momentum due to an active 12 months with wins over Manfredo, Lee, and Rubio. (TR/Arum projected 600k-800k based on the buys between Cotto/Margarito and Pacquiao/Bradley). PPV's and general ratings were also doing better during that period as well. AND keep in mind that was on the Mexican Independence day, which is traditionally a strong ppv buy date which is why Floyd craves it so much.


Today, Chavez is inactive and has not looked like a serious fighter since the Martinez fight. Froch is not a US draw, 700k is a little under the baseline for regular boxing viewers on the network when look at the average ratings for HBO in that year.

[The Noose]

Anything is better than Froch retiring.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Cotto/Rodriguez was higher rated than Chavez/Vera II by 100k.

Martinez was the MW champ, an active fighter on HBO with solid ratings. Chavez went into that fight with big momentum due to an active 12 months with wins over Manfredo, Lee, and Rubio. (TR/Arum projected 600k-800k based on the buys between Cotto/Margarito and Pacquiao/Bradley). PPV's and general ratings were also doing better during that period as well. AND keep in mind that was on the Mexican Independence day, which is traditionally a strong ppv buy date which is why Floyd craves it so much.


Today, Chavez is inactive and has not looked like a serious fighter since the Martinez fight. Froch is not a US draw, 700k is a little under the baseline for regular boxing viewers on the network when look at the average ratings for HBO in that year.

Cotto-Rodriguez was in 2013.

Martinez was not a big name at all and it was Chavez's first HBO PPV. It wasn't like it was a Mexico-PR fight. Cotto-Margarito I did around the same number. Also Canelo Alvarez was fighting on the same night. Half a million buys was a great success. No one projected it would do 600-800k. Stop it.

Froch-Groves II was shown in the afternoon and the numbers were massive for that time slot considering it was only Froch's 2nd fight on HBO and Groves is a complete nobody in America.

You don't know what you're talking about.

[ironmt]

Have to go with Hopkins by decision.

[Eastcoast]

Cotto-Rodriguez was in 2013.

Martinez was not a big name at all and it was Chavez's first HBO PPV. It wasn't like it was a Mexico-PR fight. Cotto-Margarito I did around the same number. Also Canelo Alvarez was fighting on the same night. Half a million buys was a great success. No one projected it would do 600-800k. Stop it.

Froch-Groves II was shown in the afternoon and the numbers were massive for that time slot considering it was only Froch's 2nd fight on HBO and Groves is a complete nobody in America.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Going into the Martinez fight, Chavez drew 1.9mil & 1.6mill in his two previous fights, and Martinez was averaging over a mill for all of his fights. Now Julio's numbers have dropped and he'd be fighting a guy in Froch who's never had a million viewers in any of his US cable appearances, throw in a weaker ppv market = they'd be lucky to pull the 325k that Alvarez/Lara got.

At half million views is about $25mill rev, take off half for the distributor, another couple mill for HBO/Show and you're looking at $7mill for Julio w/ $3mill for Carl -ie how they decided the purses for Golovkin/Chavez. Carl Moretti was relieved when Chavez/Golovkin fell through because he thought they'd lose money on the overall deal.

As for Alvarez fighting on the same night, I doubt that noncompetitive card had that much an impact, at the most maybe 10% which keeps it right around a half-mill buys still. And I don't know how you can call a 700k rating massive when you only have one other fight to compare it to. That's pretty much you're typical boxing viewers who watch no matter what.

[jas]

i think hopkins will win in an entertaining fight where we see some exchanges in the pocket, split decision

[Larry the boss]

Can Hopkins make 168?