Comments Thread For: Showtime's Espinoza Reacts To New Haymon NBC Series

[Bep3373]

That's actually a pretty good answer.

I agree...These robot dumb asses don't get it every who had a set back or prospects starting of can have exposure without waiting on SHOWTIME or Hbo...they build up or rebuild fighters ...keep there hype up and then SHOWTIME can buy fights they want ...straight genius ...great for everyone...and once fighters are huge put them on Ppv....this how it use to be ...fighters on regular tv then HBO and big fights on ppv ...to bad dumb ass arum and Hoya didn't do it but I'm sure they will copy it when it works ....Al you the man **** the haters

[Cinci Champ]

What long term plan?

Haymon doesn't s give a crap about Showtime, he wants to build his own league, and get huge multi year tv deals like UFC got with fox.

He will leave Showtime for good in no time if he got that. Showtime is completely lost here, with no back up plan. Haymon wants to build his boxing premier league as the mega brand of boxing.

He's not going to have his fighters jumping from network to network, despite what he may say now.

dont u get it everyone losses not just showtime they all lose if it works all fighters will want to be there this is bad for everyone except fans and haymon fighters its just hard for people to admit it cause of their hate for haymon

[Bep3373]

Man Al Haymon was thinking of a Master Plan this whole time and its working beautifully. Showtimes dough was guaranteed, why would Haymon if his intentions were to do this all of 2014 pit his fighters against other good fighters and let Oscar make money off his ppl? He was smart, by blocking those fights, he can now force their hand and make all money in house.

I bet Al signs at least another 50 fighters this yr alone. No offense to RocNation but the only thing that may help is exposure on HBO cuz they got what? 4 cards on fox for the whole yr?

Floyd gna make that money cuz u know Mayweather Promos is gna be a huge part once Richard can be CEO....they all 3 are smart businessmen.

Its been ages since boxings had a legit foothold on cable, and I think this year will def help if Al can keep these matches coming.

I wouldnt be surprised if Josesito is added in March, maybe even Arreola as well.

Im laughing at Oscar for screwing himself out of the Floyd fight and screwing himself period. Canelo is obsolete in the next yr or two. Top Rank after Manny is obsolete lol

Haymon just needs to invest in a 247 boxing channel man, or something along those lines, we all know espn sucks, as does any other mainstream sports channel, this is great for boxing even if u hate haymon, which u shouodnt now

I think thus is where he's going with it and it's his money F the haters they hate change until it benefits them ...NBA:NFL next boxing channel

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

Espinoza released a statement or just fed people some bullshh to save face. Your parent company has a number of avenues to showcase boxing on with some pretty damned good numbers. Hell CBS is pretty much stomping the shh out of NBC in terms of ratings and #1 shows in prime time. "We were consulted" equals "We didn't like the asking price for these fights".

You answered your own question. CBS is 1, with NBC at 3 behind Fox. It would have cost a lot more than 20 million for Haymon to pull off this kind of deal with CBS.

[vman075]

Oh come on Stephen, you pay millions for Thurman-Julio Diaz, Guerrero-Yoshihiro Kamegai, Garcia-Rod Salka, and Peterson-Edgar Santana, but you pass on Thurman-Guerrero and Garcia-Peterson?

No one is going to believe that.

My thoughts exactly. No matter how he tries to spin it, and he did give a good answer, this is ultimately what it is when you break it down. There's no way he thought those fight benefited the network and the ones people actually want to see don't

[wlliam]

What long term plan?

Haymon doesn't s give a crap about Showtime, he wants to build his own league, and get huge multi year tv deals like UFC got with fox.

He will leave Showtime for good in no time if he got that. Showtime is completely lost here, with no back up plan. Haymon wants to build his boxing premier league as the mega brand of boxing.

He's not going to have his fighters jumping from network to network, despite what he may say now.

One thing i noticed about networks like HBO & Showtime is the boxing dates available arent enough to really capitolize on a fighters momentum, even after a great exciting fight..itd be wise for the fighter and especially the network to strike while the irons hot and put that same fighter back on while hes still fresh in casuals mind. And it ends up happening way later than it should bcuz all the dates were already reserved for other fights, & by time it does happen the casuals have long forgotten that particular fighter. basically the turn-around isnt necessarily fast when it comes to HBO & Showtime.

And thats exactly where the NBC project comes into play, Haymon will use the dates he has there and also have dates reserved on Showtime. As long as the casuals are being fed a steady more consistent dose of Boxing they will continue to tune in, instead of having to wait months and months to see a good scrap, boxing needs to be more consistent to get and keep the casuals interest.

[wlliam]

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Explain how that's a good answer.

2014, Espinoza overpaid for Garcia-Salsa, Thurman-Bundini, and a host of other garbage mismatches. But then he wants you to believe that he turned down Garcia-Peterson, Thurman-Guerrero, and every other future fight Al has on NBC? So he purposefully put on glorified sparring matches and turned down good-great fights hoping that those guys will get exposure on a rival network and then come back to Show when they're bigger stars?

If Moonves doesn't axe this guy by the Summer I'll be shocked. He better pray Floyd signs on the dotted line.

Youre one tough customer. Quality fights coming up and youre over here worried about Espinoza

Do you really think Showtime will have NO quality cards this year? Honestly it doesnt matter, because when they do you will find the next thing to biatch about
Do you really not see it, Haymon, espinoza, & co all have an elaborate plan and were seeing fall into place...the dates in the NBC deal arent enough to cater to Haymon expansive stable and thats where Showtime fits into all this..all those names Haymon has and you think he has enough dates on NBC???

[wlliam]

Man Al Haymon was thinking of a Master Plan this whole time and its working beautifully. Showtimes dough was guaranteed, why would Haymon if his intentions were to do this all of 2014 pit his fighters against other good fighters and let Oscar make money off his ppl? He was smart, by blocking those fights, he can now force their hand and make all money in house.

I bet Al signs at least another 50 fighters this yr alone. No offense to RocNation but the only thing that may help is exposure on HBO cuz they got what? 4 cards on fox for the whole yr?

Floyd gna make that money cuz u know Mayweather Promos is gna be a huge part once Richard can be CEO....they all 3 are smart businessmen.

Its been ages since boxings had a legit foothold on cable, and I think this year will def help if Al can keep these matches coming.

I wouldnt be surprised if Josesito is added in March, maybe even Arreola as well.

Im laughing at Oscar for screwing himself out of the Floyd fight and screwing himself period. Canelo is obsolete in the next yr or two. Top Rank after Manny is obsolete lol

Haymon just needs to invest in a 247 boxing channel man, or something along those lines, we all know espn sucks, as does any other mainstream sports channel, this is great for boxing even if u hate haymon, which u shouodnt now

Ive been saying and will continue to do so, OSCAR SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAD THAT LUNCH WITH BOB!! bob knew wtf was going down and Haymons vision will put Bob out because his fighters will see how much better it is with Haymon and jump ship, & Bob qill have to shell out major dough to attempt to keep them and also his soul binding contracts, matter of fact hes probably approaching EVERY SINGLE one of his fighters with a 20 yr contract as we speak. Bob will be Bob.

[Butt stuff]

UFC-style boxing league sounds great in the way that we'll see more fighters matched up properly and against the fighters we want to see.

Only thing is it'll have the same problem with only one megalomaniac in power (Al / Dana White) which then means he pretty much controls the whole sport. Though Haymon seems to pay his fighters much better than White does thats for sure and if he starts making great fights he'll be hard to argue with.

[man-of-war]

You answered your own question. CBS is 1, with NBC at 3 behind Fox. It would have cost a lot more than 20 million for Haymon to pull off this kind of deal with CBS.

then if hes looking for a cheaper free chanel instead of a bigger audience, he should have gone to pbs.