Is it really Al Haymon's fault

**Weebler I** · 01-13-2015, 02:04 PM

Well put it this way, Amir Khan got the fights he wanted.

So you have to ask the question, how much is it the fighters choosing the easy route?

**HanzGruber** · 01-13-2015, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Weebler I

Well put it this way, Amir Khan got the fights he wanted.

So you have to ask the question, how much is it the fighters choosing the easy route?

Yea he badly wanted the dangerous Luis collazo

**tredh** · 01-13-2015, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Weebler I

Well put it this way, Amir Khan got the fights he wanted.

So you have to ask the question, how much is it the fighters choosing the easy route?

So in listening to that why do so many people place ALL of the blame on Haymon?

**Derranged** · 01-13-2015, 02:27 PM

I think its time for a Haymon master thread.

**Hougigo** · 01-13-2015, 02:29 PM

The fighters do what Haymon wants
Haymon lets the fighters fight who they choose....

the endless circle

**TheSwiftAsSa5in** · 01-13-2015, 02:35 PM

Has anyone watched TstreeT Conterversy LIVE on youtube?He has a lot of videos about Al Haymon possibly being bad for boxing.

**KRITKL** · 01-13-2015, 02:36 PM

Kathy Duva: If Floyd Mayweather wanted the fight to happen, I think it would happen, I don***8217;t know if he does. It***8217;s easy to hide behind somebody if you don***8217;t want a fight to happen. My personal opinion is that at this point in time, it appears Manny Pacquiao really does want the fight to happen. I think he does, based on the things he***8217;s said and done recently.
As far as Bob Arum is concerned, I gotta say, Bob Arum has been involved in making big fights with people he can***8217;t stand many times, including with my own husband years ago. When they hated each other more than I can describe, and believe me, they hated each other as much if not more intensely than the relationship Arum has with Al Haymon right now.
Arum***8217;s relationship with Don King over the years has been just as acrimonious, yet the big fights always got made then. Something***8217;s changed, I don***8217;t know if it***8217;s Bob but I do know that when you see someone obstructing over and over again, after a while you start to notice a pattern. I see a pattern.
You see fighters giving up their titles rather than take a big fight, you see them moving over to Showtime when a fight with HBO is done already. You see constant avoidance of serious challenge by one person***8217;s fighters. I don***8217;t know how on earth you can***8217;t see this pattern. I think whether it***8217;s the fighter or the so called ***8216;advisor***8217; I really don***8217;t know, but clearly they agree with each other or this wouldn***8217;t be happening

From someone who has actual experience dealing with him, looks like if you don't want a fight, Al is the guy to protect you from the scary fighters.

**RL_GMA** · 01-13-2015, 03:08 PM

I think we'll see this year what Haymon's full intentions are in Boxing. It's at a point now where he's distancing himself from Golden Boy, Top Rank, and HBO, and definitely won't work with Roc Nation and they have the "other" crop of fighters to contend with Haymon's fighters. I'm not sure if Haymon is going to do his "own" in house fights (which would be the irony of the century lol) or if he will co-promote with any and every promoter, but in order for big fights to be made there has to be some cross promotions involved. That's been a constant for YEARS.

The Jury's still out for Haymon as far as Im concerned, but if he some how revolutionizes Boxing as far as how it's viewed and makes fights I wanna see, I won't be complaining.

**davidandrei** · 01-13-2015, 03:23 PM

I think everyone exaggerates Haymon's role. Look at Haymon as a Union leader. He is getting them money they feel they are worth. He is being the spokeperson for his boxers. The guy to say no and have no repercussion on the reputation of a fighter. He is powerful just like Union leaders are powerful because he is the spokeperson of the employees. He can order a strike or whatever.

Now I'm not saying he is evil or good for boxing. He is clearly a very shrewd businessman, smart and ruthless. As of today, he is ****ing over the promoters and the fans to get his fighters the money they feel they deserve. But he does have his own plan and he is working towards that. There's no evidence that he will not **** over his fighters in the future. 2014 was a bust because Dela hoya got rid of Schaefer before they could take all of the GBP named fighters so they had to change their plan or move up timetable, whatever.

He setting up his empire and that's it. No long term deals with any promoters because he wants his fighters available for whatever league type thing he is planning. I believe that if he is able to prevent his fighters from signing with Rocnation for big money, he is capable of ****ing them over as well when it comes time for him to be Dana White type president. So yes, I do expect him at some point to sacrifice his big names to get stacked cards or big interest in his fights. But we have to wait and see.

Is it really Al Haymon's fault