Al Haymon Groupies Be Like:

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They don't know...they was TOLD he was a BAD GUY, BAD FOR THE SPORT, STOPPING FIGHT, BLOCKING FIGHTS among other things. The real issue is that him being a shrewd Manager is making it difficult for Crook Promoters and Networks to exploit fighters and get them to fight in Big Fights FOR CHEAP while the Networks and Promoters take all the Money like they USE TO DO!

Oscar said himself that Haymon doesn't "BLOCK FIGHTS FROM HAPPENING" and said it AGAIN recently!


Most of his HATE is because he is connected with Mayweather...don't get me wrong, I totally get the frustration with the **** match making though, Haymon deserves criticism for that for sure! But again he is a MANAGER not a Promoter, he works for the FIGHTERS to try and help them make the most money possible and he is clearly the best at doing that.

yeah because STEVENSON VS BUM is a big fight and totally worth the $2 million+ right? The hell are you smoking? It's on Haymon AND the networks to refuse crappy fights. HBO refused to buy his crappy fights and look what he did? He took his entire business to Showtime, where "I'll sign any fight that lands on my desk" Espinoza coincidentally works. If you don't work with Haymon he uses strong arm tactics and blackmail.

Everyone is for guys getting paid good money for GOOD fights, we all want that. But with Haymon it's the opposite- good money for SH IT fights.

And we already have 100% absolute facts that Haymon has blocked fights. Quillin vs Korobov for $1.8m ring any bells??

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If Haymon is a manager not a promoter, why do you agree with crappy matchmaking? That's the part of a promoter not the manager.

Because those are the only match ups Networks and Promoters are willing to pay for! Networks and Promoters want BIG MATCH UPS FOR CHEAP! THIS is what they don't tell the fans. So what they do...BLAME THE MANAGER!

Cameron Dunkin is not liked much by Arum and networks either I'm sure especially considering what is going on with Mikey Garcia. Managers have a JOB TO DO and that is to PROTECT THEIR FIGHTERS FROM SIGNING BAD DEALS!

Didn't Arum have a issue with Donaire Wife/Manager? That is likely because she asked questions and wanted to make sure her Husband wasn't getting SCREWED. But Managers like Michael Konz he love push overs like that who can get Manny to sign ANYTHING!

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Because those are the only match ups Networks and Promoters are willing to pay for! Networks and Promoters want BIG MATCH UPS FOR CHEAP! THIS is what they don't tell the fights. So what they do...BLAME THE MANAGER!

Cameron Dunkin is not liked much by Arum and networks either I'm sure especially considering what is going on with Mikey Garcia. Managers have a JOB TO DO and that is to PROTECT THEIR FIGHTERS FROM SIGNING BAD DEALS!

So if the manager is asking too much for a **** fight that would be the managers fault then wouldn't it?

I mean Showtime signs off for Danny Garcia vs Salka, but then Quillen was getting ripped off making 1.8 million? What happened there? What about Stevenson versus Kovalev or Hopkins? I mean if networks only like big fights then how come GGG who fights on HBO make the same as Broner and Danny Garcia?

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yeah because STEVENSON VS BUM is a big fight and totally worth the $2 million+ right? The hell are you smoking? It's on Haymon AND the networks to refuse crappy fights. HBO refused to buy his crappy fights and look what he did? He took his entire business to Showtime, where "I'll sign any fight that lands on my desk" Espinoza coincidentally works. If you don't work with Haymon he uses strong arm tactics and blackmail.

Everyone is for guys getting paid good money for GOOD fights, we all want that. But with Haymon it's the opposite- good money for SH IT fights.

And we already have 100% absolute facts that Haymon has blocked fights. Quillin vs Korobov for $1.8m ring any bells??

Well he has the POWER because he has most of the top fighters under his Umbrella and clearly they must love the way he do business because none of his Top Fighters have left the Stable...in fact more seems to be joining it every day.

Then you Ask yourself, if Haymon is getting his fighters that type of Money for "CRAPPY FIGHTS" just how much is he asking for BIG FIGHTS like Kovalev vs Stevenson. $1 Million each is not going to get you Stevenson vs Kovalev...SORRY!

Yes he blocked Quillin vs Korobov but again...YOU AND I have no ***in clue as to what was in those Roc Nation contract and yes I'm sure it also had to do with blocking some new promotion from jumping into the sport and trying to make a name for themselves off of other Managers, Promoters and Networks fighters!

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So if the manager is asking too much for a **** fight that would be the managers fault then wouldn't it?

I mean Showtime signs off for Danny Garcia vs Salka, but then Quillen was getting ripped off making 1.8 million? What happened there? What about Stevenson versus Kovalev or Hopkins? I mean if networks only like big fights then how come GGG who fights on HBO make the same as Broner and Danny Garcia?

Showtime has rejected match ups plenty of times as has HBO, I doubt Haymon is going into their offices with guns FORCING THEM TO GIVE HIS FIGHTERS that type of Money!

Look I don't agree with the **** matches one bit but from a business standpoint I totally get what he is doing. If you want his fighters in big fights...IT WILL COST BIG MONEY!

However, now with him having his own situation with NBC...LETS SEE! I think he will have no choice but to give the fans big match ups on NBC Sports! Plus he spent his own money on that Deal so I'm sure he will use that TV Time to try and make that money all back PLUS A PROFIT and in order to do that he will need GREAT CARDS AND BIG FIGHTS!

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Showtime has rejected match ups plenty of times as has HBO, I doubt Haymon is going into their offices with guns FORCING THEM TO GIVE HIS FIGHTERS that type of Money!

Look I don't agree with the **** matches one bit but from a business standpoint I totally get what he is doing. If you want his fighters it big fights...IT WILL COST BIG MONEY!

However, now with him having his own situation with NBC...LETS SEE! I think he will have no choice but to give the fans big match ups on NBC Sports! Plus he spent his own money on that Deal so I'm sure he will use that TV Time to try and make that money all back PLUS A PROFIT!

What you don't seem to understand is that fighting Salka shouldn't earn you 750k. It should give you 250k if that. It's not the networks fault, it's Al's over inflated view of his fighters value. Haymon can say HBO is being mean and that's why he left, that's fine. Well, on Showtime he was the only promoter on that channel for 2 years and the head of Showtime boxing was a former Golden Boy lawyer who worked very closely with Schaeffer. He can do whatever he wanted on that station and that's why you got the **** fights you got. Showtime didn't say we won't pay for this or that fight, Haymon got to do what he wanted and still put those piss poor match ups for us.

[KillaMane26]

Also, because of Haymon, my HBO subscription had to support a boxing budget that saw a lot of it pissed away - as he got guys like Berto, and Dawson fights against old men, and journeymen. So much of their budget was wasted on no-talent hacks like these bums... When it coud have gone to supporting other great fights.


And while I think Arum is bad for the sport too, at least he does put on good fights moreso than Haymon. Donaire/Walters, Donaire/Rigo, Rios/Alvarado 1,2, and now 3, Bradley/Provo, Pac Marquez 4, Cotto/Martinez, Chavez/Martinez, Gamboa/Crawford...

Of course Arum puts on a lot better fights than Haymon... Haymon will have you beieve his guys "fight for the big money," when all they do is fight for the easy money.

Yeah...atleast Arum gives good fights...Just think if Arum had Haymons
fighters...Think of all the great fights we would have had this year

[StefanTosic]

Everyone is for guys getting paid good money for GOOD fights, we all want that. But with Haymon it's the opposite- good money for SH IT fights.

Yes! That's an argument every Mayweather love to use "but they are getting paid good money doe!" It's good for them but whats there for me as a boxing fan? what's there FOR THEM as boxing fans??? See, that makes me believe they even aren't no boxing fans, just fans of 2 particular individuals: Mayweather and HIS DAMN ADVISER/MANAGER. I don't care about other people's money because it's not going to my pockets, as a boxing fan I want to be entertained with great fights, so should they.

Not to mention that at the same time things are not really going that great for his fighters because their stocks continue to drop due to ****ty match ups, etc where their career suffers, he's straight destroying them... and secondly they are under some slave contracts so I believe many of them are not really satisfied that much as Floyd/Al's groopies believe them to be.

Then on this type of threads they want to make you looking like you hate him because he's with Floyd, while in fact THEY root for him and are finding all types of excuses for every low blow he delivers to the sport of boxing just because he's associated with Floyd.

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What you don't seem to understand is that fighting Salka shouldn't earn you 750k. It should give you 250k if that. It's not the networks fault, it's Al's over inflated view of his fighters value. Haymon can say HBO is being mean and that's why he left, that's fine. Well, on Showtime he was the only promoter on that channel for 2 years and the head of Showtime boxing was a former Golden Boy lawyer who worked very closely with Schaeffer. He can do whatever he wanted on that station and that's why you got the **** fights you got. Showtime didn't say we won't pay for this or that fight, Haymon got to do what he wanted and still put those piss poor match ups for us.

Well technically...WE DON'T KNOW THAT! If Danny Garcia draws well on Showtime they have to pay the man accordingly REGARDLESS OF WHO HE FIGHTS! Am I suppose to be on the big Corporate Network Side and Feel Bad because they have to pay fighters Handsomely? I don't give a *** about HBO or Showtime Budget, both Networks make a ton of money yearly. Why do fans pretend like HBO and Showtime "DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY".

Showtime despite having far less subscribers is now able to COMPETE with HBO something they couldn't do previously before the Mayweather deal, they're also Outselling HBO in PPV Buys, something they haven't done since Mike Tyson.

So why are fans trying to build up some type of SYMPATHY FOR HBO AND SHOWTIME because they have to pay fighters good money to get them to fight on their Network.

So NO Haymon is not doing anything but making sure his fighters get paid accordingly, if my fighter is drawing well on you network...YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY HIM ACCORDINGLY, that seem fair to me!

If Network don't like it...DON'T PAY! But you wanna know why they won't do that? Because they know Haymon is capable of taking his fighters elsewhere!

What would Showtime Boxing be without Al Haymon fighters especially right now with Oscar taking Canelo back to HBO.

I watch boxing for what goes on in the ring like everybody else but over the years I have come to understand that it is a Business just as much if not MORE than it is a SPORT. Who the *** am I to tell a fighters just to fight for what ever money is thrown at them for my SELFISH Entertainment? They have kids to feed, kids to put through College among other things. Especially when you seen stories like Robert Guerrero paying for his Wife Cancer Treatment out of his Pocket, also Leo Santa Cruz taking care of his family and sick brother. I have NO PROBLEM with fighters trying to make the most money they can every time they fight.

Answer this...If Haymon is SO BAD, why don't fighters FIRE HIM and go make those "BIG FIGHTS" that he is allegedly BLOCKING

[Beater_of_ass]

Well technically...WE DON'T KNOW THAT! If Danny Garcia draws well on Showtime they have to pay the man accordingly REGARDLESS OF WHO HE FIGHTS! Am I suppose to be on the big Corporate Network Side and Feel Bad because they have to pay fighters Handsomely? I don't give a *** about HBO or Showtime Budget, both Networks make a ton of money yearly. Why do fans pretend like HBO and Showtime "DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY".

Showtime despite having far less subscribers is now able to COMPETE with HBO something they couldn't do previously before the Mayweather deal, they're also Outselling HBO in PPV Buys, something they haven't done since Mike Tyson.

So why are fans trying to build up some type of SYMPATHY FOR HBO AND SHOWTIME because they have to pay fighters good money to get them to fight on their Network.

So NO Haymon is not doing anything but making sure his fighters get paid accordingly, if my fighter is drawing well on you network...YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY HIM ACCORDINGLY, that seem fair to me!

If Network don't like it...DON'T PAY! But you wanna know why they won't do that? Because they know Haymon is capable of taking his fighters elsewhere!

What would Showtime Boxing be without Al Haymon fighters especially right now with Oscar taking Canelo back to HBO.

I watch boxing for what goes on in the ring like everybody else but over the years I have come to understand that it is a Business just as much if not MORE than it is a SPORT. Who the *** am I to tell a fighters just to fight for what ever money is thrown at them for my SELFISH Entertainment? They have kids to feed, kids to put through College among other things. Especially when you seen stories like Robert Guerrero paying for his Wife Cancer Treatment out of his Pocket, also Leo Santa Cruz taking care of his family and sick brother. I have NO PROBLEM with fighters trying to make the most money they can every time they fight.

Answer this...If Haymon is SO BAD, why don't fighters FIRE HIM and go make those "BIG FIGHTS" that he is allegedly BLOCKING

I don't know why I needed a wall of text of a response. I'm just laughing at the sentence where you say you don't care about HBO or Showtime money, but you care about the boxers money? Well... who do you think pays these big ass fee's to the fighters when they appear on their network? There is only so much money to go around and when Haymon demands **** fee's for lame ass fights, again that isn't the networks fault. That's Haymon asking for too much and money and no good fights being made because the money was used for jobber 124.

It's short sighted thinking that "this guy has money he'll pay me what I want." That messes up the sport because as you say it's a BUSINESS. What business works well when it pays over inflated prices for everything?