Joe Louis is sickly overrated

[JimEarl]

Didn't Conn start at lightweight?

He wasn't a natural heavyweight and he was past his prime when he fought Louis.

You probably mean lightheavy but he might've started at 160.....They don't show the weights on boxrec anymore and I don't remember. He was a lightheavyweight when he fought Louis.

They were both prime in the 1st fight. Conn was not in shape at all in the second. Louis was weighing in just over 200 then.

[Elroy1]

He was the best of his time and era non-specific, he was possibly the only nostalgic HW champion to have defeated mention-worthy giants (namely Carnera, Baer and Simon). Which shows what an exceptional champion that Joe Louis was!

His title defence record often rated the best is statistically biased. All except about 8 or so were either complete bums or cruiserweights that modern boxers wouldn't be allowed to knock out as champions.

He would be knocked out by any barely recognisable Cruiserweight or Heavyweight almost immediately beyond any doubt these days.

Against the criteria of his generation, he is an outstanding boxer.

For the Old Time Nut Bags, he is almost as overrated as you can possibly get.

[B-Bomber]

Max Schmeling was KOed in round one by Gipsy Daniels, who had 47 losses:

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...3338&cat=boxer

And lost to Jack Taylor, who was 38-39:

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...3323&cat=boxer

Actually Daniels had 22 losses at the time of the Schmelling fight, and 70 victories.

Do you realize how ridicolous you sound by comparing numbers from different eras?.

Schmelling fought 15 times in 1927 and due to his defeat "only" 5 times in 1928.

By the same (******ed) logic Young Stribling with his 223w-13l-14d (129K.O.) is leagues above Wlad and pretty much anybody else in the last half century.

And Schmelling TKO'ed the legend.

[Elroy1]

Max Schmeling was KOed in round one by Gipsy Daniels, who had 47 losses:

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...3338&cat=boxer

And lost to Jack Taylor, who was 38-39:

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...3323&cat=boxer

Facts like that seem to play no role in these match ups.

Things like "records" and "weights" and "opponent quality" only seem to apply to the present day, but guys like Louis and Schmelling seem to be immune to it in the eyes of many here.

Sadly!

[LacedUp]

It's hard to rank the era before by ring IQ/Skill alone, because today is more advance in using different skills and techniques.On my opinion, competitive Heavyweights in Ali's Era could probably kick Joe Louis ass.

If i were ranking the atg, I'll consider who is the 2 or 3 best in specific decade/era and rank them with their accoplishments.

What skills and technique?

Who has a better jab-six-inch-left hook than Louis? Ever?

[Elroy1]

Actually Daniels had 22 losses at the time of the Schmelling fight, and 70 victories.

Do you realize how ridicolous you sound by comparing numbers from different eras?.

Schmelling fought 15 times in 1927 and due to his defeat "only" 5 times in 1928.

By the same (******ed) logic Young Stribling with his 223w-13l-14d (129K.O.) is leagues above Wlad and pretty much anybody else in the last half century.

And Schmelling TKO'ed the legend.

You've gotta be kidding!

Have you checked the record of this Stribling? I remember him popping up ages ago in a similar topic.

His opponents were NOT HW's! as Wladimir would have to face! Some of those opponents started out as bloody flyweights FFS! And you will NEVER see more bummier records in your life either!

This is a prime example of nutbag logic.

You are pumping up fighters that the current champ would never be allowed to even spar let alone fight!

And that includes Scmelling and Louis too!

[Elroy1]

You probably mean lightheavy but he might've started at 160.....They don't show the weights on boxrec anymore and I don't remember. He was a lightheavyweight when he fought Louis.

They were both prime in the 1st fight. Conn was not in shape at all in the second. Louis was weighing in just over 200 then.

I remember! And so do you

He started as a LIGHTWEIGHT. And had multiple losses including 6 losses at WELTERWEIGHT!

No HW boxer in the last 30 years would ever compete against a guy with this kind of background, especially today, and especially the champ.

Joe Louis stages a title defence against a totally bum.

OTNB tries to sell **** as gold and pass it off as a "decent opponent"...

Unbelievable!

[B-Bomber]

You've gotta be kidding!

Have you checked the record of this Stribling? I remember him popping up ages ago in a similar topic.

His opponents were NOT HW's! as Wladimir would have to face! Some of those opponents started out as bloody flyweights FFS! And you will NEVER see more bummier records in your life either!

This is a prime example of nutbag logic.

You are pumping up fighters that the current champ would never be allowed to even spar let alone fight!

And that includes Scmelling and Louis too!

Right, guys like Pianeta, Wach, Mormeck, Leapai ... do yourself a favor and shut up before you come up with your usual " Arreola would K.O. Frazier" kind of ****e

[Elroy1]

Right, guys like Pianeta, Wach, Mormeck, Leapai ... do yourself a favor and shut up before you come up with your usual " Arreola would K.O. Frazier" kind of ****e

Listen to me there mate...

I don't care what you have to say about the quality of Pianeta, Wach, Mormeck or Leapai, they were all HW's! as defined today! Most of the opponents of Joe Louis were not! It's simple!

Don't take my word for it, take boxrec's!

And speaking of quality, what were the records of these guys? Excellent! Much better than the opponents of Joe Louis!

And the facts that these guys were the WORST Wladdy faced is a PROOF of how much better the quality of WK's opponents are than Louis's..

"Wladimir's WORST opponents, much greater than Louis's BEST opponents!"

Fact!

Of course you will try to tell me about the padded records of guys like Pianeta. And that is TRUE of THIS era!

Compared to Joe Louis's opponents though, Pianeta has faced ASTOUNDING opposition! All real 200+ HW's, and with substantially better records themselves than most of the opponents of Joe Louis!

Old Time Nut Bag!

You have no attachment to reality whatsoever!

PS, Arreola would have KOed Frazier in the first round beyond all doubt. You bloody well know it

[B-Bomber]

Listen to me there mate...

PS, Arreola would have KOed Frazier in the first round beyond all doubt. You bloody well know it

That's all I needed to know, thanks mate