Joe Louis is sickly overrated

[UpInThisYo]

I'd call Louis's five best as Walcott (Louis past prime), Arturo Godoy, Max Baer, Braddock and Shmelling.

No ATGs in the heavyweights but he shares that distinction with a lot of fighters considered ATG who fought in arguably weak division. His domination and record in rematches would put him in good standing. And let's face it: Everybody fought everybody in the days of low risk paydays and it takes an act of congress to make fights today.....The records are going to usually be spottier back then throughout the divisions. Bob Foster (another ATG in a weak division) said it best when he said said "today's fighters are babied".

Both the lightheavies he fought, Conn & John Henry Lewis were very good and the weight differences weren't as big as they are in more contemporary times. Guys like Louis and Marciano would probably be aiming towards the cruiserweights nowadays.

Not only are no of the guys you mentioned very impressive, but seriously, look at this shid...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uCpJ0bm6RI
Joe Louis is soo stiff and easy to hit. Imagine if he tried fighting Mike Tyson with that stiff style, Walcott was landing at will. Louis wouldn't last a round. Boxers are not only better sizewise today, but also technically. No hate, but come on, you just can't watch the Louis-Walcott fight without seeing some very basic (and serious) flaws in Louis' fighting style. Too damn stiff.

[JimEarl]

Not only are no of the guys you mentioned very impressive, but seriously, look at this shid...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uCpJ0bm6RI
Joe Louis is soo stiff and easy to hit. Imagine if he tried fighting Mike Tyson with that stiff style, Walcott was landing at will. Louis wouldn't last a round. Boxers are not only better sizewise today, but also technically. No hate, but come on, you just can't watch the Louis-Walcott fight without seeing some very basic (and serious) flaws in Louis' fighting style. Too damn stiff.

Walcott was very slick and might just school a lot of contemporary fighters. Louis was past prime but admittedly would have some trouble with Walcott prime-time. I did admit movers were Louis's weakness yet he caught both Conn & Walcott in later rounds and KOd them......Louis was an accurate & vicious puncher who systematically broke fighters down. His strength was his punching and he was always set to punch. He was no 1-2 fighter.....He had the arsenal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnN31a3hr7U

prime time Louis

As far as technique goes I doubt any of today's fighters use anything Joe Gans didn't use......Louis's trainer fought Gans twice.

Ali's division was probably the best but Ali is going to have trouble with the size of some more contemporary champions himself.....That's why I don't compare heavies in dream fights as much.

[B-Bomber]

You are sickly underrating him.

And please stop the "5 best wins" crap.

Even a 2nd tier in Joe Louis' resume like Carnera is a great win compared to the Wach, Pianeta, Chagaev , Chambers, Leapai and Mormeck of these days.

Billy Conn has a better resume than Haye and (for the lovers of 'today's heavyweights are so much bigger!) Abe Simon had a longer reach than Wladimir Klitschko.


As a side note: Schmelling and Carnera were derided at the times (for obvious reasons) , but neither of them was a bum.

Carnera was a sort of Wladimir Klitschko , the main difference is that back then fighters would fight him on the inside and during a clinch. Referees were unlikely to stop the action unless some huge faul was committed.

Schmelling was a very good boxer, high ring iq , good right hand. If he wasn't German , with all the political implications it used to have, he'd be in the H.O.F.

Max Baer is a H.O.F. himself .... then we have Walcott and a few others. Now, why don't you state your case for anybody other than Ali having a better carreer at HW?.

[UpInThisYo]

You are sickly underrating him.

And please stop the "5 best wins" crap.

Even a 2nd tier in Joe Louis' resume like Carnera is a great win compared to the Wach, Pianeta, Chagaev , Chambers, Leapai and Mormeck of these days.

Billy Conn has a better resume than Haye and (for the lovers of 'today's heavyweights are so much bigger!) Abe Simon had a longer reach than Wladimir Klitschko.


As a side note: Schmelling and Carnera were derided at the times (for obvious reasons) , but neither of them was a bum.

Carnera was a sort of Wladimir Klitschko , the main difference is that back then fighters would fight him on the inside and during a clinch. Referees were unlikely to stop the action unless some huge faul was committed.

Schmelling was a very good boxer, high ring iq , good right hand. If he wasn't German , with all the political implications it used to have, he'd be in the H.O.F.

Max Baer is a H.O.F. himself .... then we have Walcott and a few others. Now, why don't you state your case for anybody other than Ali having a better carreer at HW?.

Dude, are you kidding me?

Ali had wins like Foreman, Frazier, Norton.
Wlad has wins like Haye and Povetkin.
Lewis had wins like Tyson, Holyfield and Vitali.
Frazier had an Ali win, which shids all over Louis' resume.
I could go on and on.

Honestly, not even one of Louis' opponents were on David Haye's level, except Marciano, who beat him up...

[Mr.Fantastic]

He is overrated like crazy but he was still a great fighter.

[Furn]

Dude, are you kidding me?

Ali had wins like Foreman, Frazier, Norton.
Wlad has wins like Haye and Povetkin.
Lewis had wins like Tyson, Holyfield and Vitali.
Frazier had an Ali win, which shids all over Louis' resume.
I could go on and on.

Honestly, not even one of Louis' opponents were on David Haye's level, except Marciano, who beat him up...

Now I know you're trolling.

[LacedUp]

For someone that doesn't know anything about him, yeah I guess he could be seen as overrated.

[The Hammer]

Louis was a great. He was always set to punch and he could but would have had trouble with a mover like Ali as he did with Conn.

Didn't Conn start at lightweight?

He wasn't a natural heavyweight and he was past his prime when he fought Louis.

[B-Bomber]

Dude, are you kidding me?

Ali had wins like Foreman, Frazier, Norton.
Wlad has wins like Haye and Povetkin.
Lewis had wins like Tyson, Holyfield and Vitali.
Frazier had an Ali win, which shids all over Louis' resume.
I could go on and on.

Honestly, not even one of Louis' opponents were on David Haye's level, except Marciano, who beat him up...

Lol ...

Now I finally get it ...thank you!

Though you forgot to mention Vitali, he did beat the same Danny Williams who knocked Tyson out. Obviously a better win than anything on Louis' resume.

[The Hammer]

Max Schmeling was KOed in round one by Gipsy Daniels, who had 47 losses:

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...3338&cat=boxer

And lost to Jack Taylor, who was 38-39:

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...3323&cat=boxer